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Chris Hedges and Mark Rudd Discuss Self Destructive Forces on the Left

On the latest episode of "On Contact," Chris Hedges discusses political violence with Mark Rudd, author, and former leader of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).

The Weather Underground, a clandestine revolutionary organization that carried out a wave of bombings in the 1970s, was seen by Hedges’ father and other clergy members who were involved in Vietnam anti-war protests as one of the most self-destructive forces on the left. These members of the clergy, many of whom, including Hedges’ father, were World War II veterans, had often became ministers because of their experiences in the war. They understood the poison of violence. One of the most prominent leaders of Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam (CALCAV), to which Hedges’ father belonged, was the Catholic priest Philip Berrigan, who was a highly decorated Army second lieutenant who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. The young radicals of the Vietnam era, including Mark Rudd—who in 1968 as a leader of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) led the occupation of five buildings at Columbia University and later helped form the Weather Underground—did not turn to those on the religious left whose personal experiences with violence might have saved SDS, the Weather Underground and the student anti-war movement from self-immolation. Blinded by hubris, intoxicated by the lust for violence and hypermasculinity and infected with the disease of moral purity, the leaders of the Weather Underground destroyed the largest anti-war movement in the country. It was, perhaps, the single most important blow to the left since the witch hunts led by Senator Joe McCarthy. The leaders of the Weather Underground dismissed the nonviolent left as useless cowards, claiming they were the only true revolutionaries. They embarked, as have many of those in today’s black bloc and antifa, on a campaign that proved to be counterproductive to the social and economic goals they said they advocated. Rudd, 50 years later, plays the role once played by the priests Phil and Daniel Berrigan, Martin Luther King and Rabbi Abraham Heschel. His book “Underground: My Life with SDS and the Weathermen” is a brutally honest deconstruction of the dangerous myths that captivated him as a young man. Hedges says he suspects that many of those in the black bloc and antifa will no more listen to his wisdom than did the young radicals five decades ago who dismissed the warnings from those on the religious left for whom violence was also not an abstraction. Rudd sees his old self in the masked faces of the black bloc and antifa, who advocate violence and property destruction in the name of anti-fascism. These faces, he said, ignite his deep embers of “shame and guilt.”

Chris Hedges
Chris Hedges

Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief for the paper. He previously worked overseas for The Dallas Morning NewsThe Christian Science Monitor, and NPR. He is the host of the Emmy Award-nominated RT America show On Contact. 

42 comments

  1. Imagine if Thomas Jefferson decided that declaring a Revolution against the King of England was too violent to consider.
    “When in the course of human events, it becomes NECESSARY….”

    1. What amazed me in the conversation was that both Hedges and Rudd referred to the “black bloc” and “antifa” as being the destructive, violent groups in Portland (where I live) and never mentioned the Proud Boys, Neo Nazis and Boogaloos who were actually the people who were violent and destructive NOT the BLM and antifa marchers.
      How could someone as smart as Hedges get that wrong?

      1. P.S. I think Mr. Rudd never understood the Cuban revolution and its goals. Castro, Guevara and Marti being the leaders had faults, some terrible, but the ultimate revolutionary goal of free education, (emphasis on science and medicine) and healthcare for all the people was achieved and still is the basis for the country. This is something the U.S. has never achieved and never will as long as good leadership is prevented and hegemonic war (w/coups) is the foreign policy. Cuba’s generosity in offering medical help around the world when needed and educating anyone who wishes to be a doctor that education for free is a standard not reached by any other country in the world.
        If Che had prejudices, for example toward homosexuals, that is not evident in the present society in the country.

      2. “How could someone as smart as Hedges get that wrong?” Perhaps he as been spending too much time with Glenn Greenwald? Greenwald has adopted many of the tropes used by the Facist Right, Dan Bongino in particular. Just yesterday Greenwald was tweeting about how “liberals” were laughing at the unvaccinated dying from COVID. First time I heard that trope was from Bongino.

  2. The problem with the left in America is that there is none. I have for a long time and increasingly felt that virtually everything labelled “the left” in America was in truth a twisted and corrupted influence masquerading as a left or progressive movement. It’s like those who rule have been able to successfully co-opt or destroy any force that even remotely challenges their power. How else to explain the complete and utter lack of any real organized labor based resistance at all to this nightmare. It’s like all the people have been lobotomized and castrated….

  3. For precisely the reasons Mr. Hedges has so courageously articulated, I — myself a near-lifelong Marxian (an alternative-journalist and progressive activist albeit then still ideologically closeted in an ultimately defeated effort to preserve my journalistic earning power) — believed from the beginning the fanatically sadistic anti-intellectualism of this rabble of mad bombers proved them to be either CIA assets or agents of some as-then-yet-unrecognized Nazi International, a suspicion I regard as irrefutably confirmed by their subsequently manufactured financial security and academic respectability. In fact I often publicly condemned the “Weathermen” (as they in their counter-revolutionary misogyny originally named themselves); my ultimate denunciation of their atrocities was via a pseudonym-protected essay published by “Northwest Passage” in the summer or early fall of 1970. (Sorry about the lack of bibliographical specificity; it — like all the rest of my life’s significant work — was destroyed by arson on 1 September 1983.)

    1. Marx produced not 1 original idea. Gramsci/Adorno/Horkheimer/Sennet/Althusser etc have demonstrated where he was wrong…peculiar American traits preclude change
      “only in the USA has the dignity of the father ceased to exist.” Horkheimer/Adorno
      “only in USA is the father vestigial: the american mind and conscience is feminine”. Geoffrey Gorer
      “only in USA has nationalism carried with it the christian meaning of the sacred. the revelation of America serves to blight and ultimately preclude the possibility of fundamental social change”. Sacvan Bercovitch (2012)

    2. Three points I hope the moderators will allow me to add:

      (1) – Though there are indeed within Marxism the same tendencies toward a fundamentalist fanaticism otherwise identical to that which one finds in organized religion, there are also local pockets of Marxians who have come to regard the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky et al as an open-ended beginning – a call not for ideological stasis but for the fostering of Marxism’s evolution – firstly and most importantly by rescuing it from its academic bondage, thus restoring its Working-Class relevance and labor-union language;

      (2) – I should have made it clear that while I am most assuredly not a pacifist, I am nevertheless a steadfast supporter of nonviolent protest precisely because – though our Masters favor Rightist violence by the frequency with which they ignore it – they seize the slightest such expression from the Left as an excuse to unleash brutal and often deadly force, witness the atrocities at Kent State University and Jackson State College and their microcosmic repetition each time the police murder an unarmed suspect; meanwhile the depth of my commitment to political nonviolence has been deepened by more than one successful instance of its preventative application, each leaving me with a sense of fulfilled gratitude I will cherish until consciousness is no more;

      (3) – Apropos “Marxian,” it is merely an older and more gentle synonym for “Marxist” – precisely why, older and more gentle in my 81st year – I much prefer it.

    3. Loren, you certainly have had time to produce more, even more significant work. What has happened that has prevented this?

  4. Having failed to red pill hardly anyone on this site about the monsters that walk among us, or that your emotions are in the drivers seat, much less about the End Game, let me try one last time to point out something everyone should be able to see with their own eyes.

    Here’s a 16 minute video about mass psychosis. IF you watch this look around at the people you know and the society in general. Can you see this happening?? If you don’t see any of this or don’t understand why it is happening the hard-core right wing will cut through you like a hot knife through butter. 😉

    The Manufacturing of a Mass Psychosis – Can Sanity Return to an Insane World?

  5. That covers a lot of ground, and we see some familiar old stereotypes here. Many today embrace a fantasy of “the masses” marching in solidarity — to protect the advantages of the middle class within the capitalist system. The rest of us have other concerns. As was pointed out then and now, liberals are not political leftists. That’s not about “purity.” That’s about fundamental political, social, and economic differences. On violence: Just what has been achieved by passive resistance since the ruling parties swung to the right in the ’80s? Much of the country is in distress, denied the most basic human rights (UN’s UDHR) to food and shelter, 26 years into the Democrats’ war on the poor. Middle classers are oblivious to them — all those left behind as US job losses long surpassed job gains. Liberals don’t hear them. “A riot is the language of the unheard.” That’s the only thing that’s heard.

  6. WTF? I never thought that I would despise Hedges, but his ignorance about the real purpose of vaccine mandates and passports, and now this- WHY is he denying the role of the FBI in instigating violence in political groups, both on the left and right? Dont tell me “antifa” bozos like Jadnx aren’t FBI. I haven’t looked into FBI infiltration into the WU, but I assume it must have happened. Makes me question how many supposed leftists like himself are ops, just saying.

    1. Zerzan can’t stand Hedges; and while I respect both, I think Zerzan is correct in being so hard on Hedges.

  7. Well, we know there aren’t any on the Left among the ruling class, though some may talk wistfully of the ‘good old days’
    The middle class and most academics distance themselves from the nitty gritty of protests, boycotts and strikes because they have career goals.
    That leaves us Proles, cannon fodder, or, as we say in Australia, shit kickers.
    Our problem is the lack of good education opportunities. That has turned many working class into rednecks, racists and ‘commie haters’.
    Most of them can’t see that the real enemy wears a suit and a smug smile.

  8. Numerous marxists/Leninists have demonstrated that US “progressives” the most reactionary
    as has the Parsonian Philip Slater
    “the american liberal/progressive wants to preserve the essence of the past (BLM/Antifia, etc); the US conservative wants more progress. the European radical wants to hasten the transformation of the future; the European conservative wants to preserve the essence of the past”. Geoffrey Gorer

  9. I struggle with the issue of complete non-violence vs. aggressiveness in protest situations. I agree with Chris Hedges, to a point. And, I respect his observations due to his having been on the “front lines” in many places. The “elixir of violence” he often speaks of resonates with me, and I understand how it can overwhelm someone and influence their behavior. I am not a Pacifist, and don’t believe in Pacifism. Pacifism only emboldens the aggressor.What I call the Neville Chamberlain effect. You cannot pacify a bully or reason with his aggressive and violent behavior. It is so true that, despite not wanting to, sometimes you have to punch a bully in the mouth. I learned this the hard way growing up. I DO believe in non-violence first, and walking away from an encounter-if you can. But in this world one must realize that sometimes, one must stand and fight the antagonistic, aggressive forces coming at you when you’re in a corner, and must fight for your world let alone your life. This doesn’t mean I disagree with Hedges, or that I side with the destructiveness of these “Antifa” groups; I just believe sometimes, one has to fight back.

  10. Please, beloved Chris hedges take a look at children raised without protein by vegan parents on ” vegan deterioration” YouTube channel and listen to the presentation ” what we are designed to eat,” by Dr. Barry groves and the research of the ancestral carnivory channels. I worry for the health of your precious brain♥️

    1. There’s enough protein in vegetables to meet all the requirements of good human health Nadine.
      The most extensive dietary study ever undertaken, ‘The China Study’, proves that conclusively.
      Might pay to check who’s sponsoring those videos.
      Some of the world’s top athletes are vegans.

  11. “Strategy is far more important than self-expression.” That’s not theory or mere belief; it’s wisdom acquired from experience and reflection on error. One might not agree with the old man, but only a fool would refuse to listen and consider the possibility that Mark Rudd’s words are true.

  12. Much of the social ills and Exploitation of the American Masses, lies at the feet of THE DEEP STATE that truly Controls Our Nation. The Deep State that Controls the United States consists of 2 primary groups: (1). The very Wealthy People (some, refer to this groups as the ‘American Oligarchs’); (2). The Powerful and numerous Bureaucrats within the federal, state, county, and municipal governments.

    I’m reminded of the former NSA senior executive and whistleblower Tom Drake who, while being interviewed, remarked how a senior NSA employee told him that (to paraphrase Mr. Drake) “Presidents and Congressmen come and go every few years, but WE Staff Members at the Government Agencies STAY.” Meaning that, even though The U.S. Constitution and the Constitutions of the 50 States delineate Governments within The United States and within The 50 States into 3 branches– the EXECUTIVE, the LEGISLATIVE, and the JUDICIARY– Actual Power resides with the STAFF MEMBERS (THE BUREAUCRATS) who actually Implement the Policies while having the Power of SIGNIFICANT DISCRETION IN IMPLEMENTATION.

    Out of millions of Bureaucrats within our nation at the Federal, State, County, and Municipal governments, none can equal the Power Possessed by the POLICE BUREAUCRATS (i.e., FBI Agents, Special Deputy U.S. Marshals, Deputy Sheriffs, State Troopers, Police Officers, Probation & Parole Officers, Prison Guards, etc.). Much of the widespread, continued Brutality and Corruption by Cops throughout our nation (and this phenomenon has been going on for many decades before the advent of the Smartphones that made it possible for Civilian Eyewitnesses to video-record Cops brutalizing fellow civilians) AND the Difficulty in Effectively/Realistically Terminating the Employment of Brutal and/or Corrupt Cops are Symptoms of the Power and Influence of POLICE BUREAUCRATS and Their Powerful Labor Unions.

    I have a good understanding of this because, for approx. 7 years, I have been surveilled, stalked, intimidated, and harassed by “Special Agents” and “Investigative Specialists” with the Tampa-Orlando FBI field-office (Tampa-Orlando FBI) and Special Deputy U.S. Marshals attached to the Tampa-Orlando Joint Terrorism Task Force (Tampa-Orlando JTTF). These Cops have and continued to use against me, some of the Tactics that the FBI used throughout the 1960’s and early 70’s, via their notorious COINTELPRO illegal attacks, against Black Civil Rights Activists and Anti-War Activists.

    Instead of the ‘Harassment & Punishment Tactic’ used by Cops. and identified & written about by Malcolm M. Feeley in the 1980’s (i.e., PROCESS AS PUNISHMENT), since the 9/11 National Tragedy Cops use Persistent and Overt Surveillance, Stalking, Menacing, Harassment, and Intimidation as a ‘Harassment & Punishment Tactic’ against Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Activists like me and others.

    It is worth noting that many of the FBI’s COINTELPRO Tactics were derived from Tactics that the German Gestapo and the East-German Stasi used against their own German people. Many current civil rights activists say that, after the 9/11 National Tragedy, the FBI have implemented COINTELPRO 2.0 Tactics such as using tens of thousands of Informants to Infiltrate Muslim Communities and Minority Communities in order to ENTRAP and SOW DISCORD, SUSPICION, and DISHARMONY among American People. Over the past 11+ years, I have personally seen this happen in my life, and thus I speak not from an academic viewpoint. I have seen how Cops ‘have used’/’continue to use’ some of the Tactics, used by the German Stasi as described in the following article (Please replace the 3 “DOT” in the below URL with a Period “.” and copy the below URL into a tab of an internet browser):
    wwwDOTmaxhertzbergDOTcoDOTuk/background/politics/stasi-tactics/

  13. But the war did end; how does Mr. Hedges – and for that matter Mr. Rudd – think that happened? Out of the goodness of our masters’ hearts?

    I should say that I remember those events extremely well: I’m about Mark Rudd’s age, and in fact we knew each other, as political colleagues in his later life in New Mexico.

    Reluctantly, because I believe in non-violence, I think it ended because of two factors:
    First, because of a persistent, low-level, undeclared, but nonetheless effective mutiny among the soldiers in Vietnam. The military was breaking down. And second, because of a mounting wave of civil disorder at home. Of course, the two were intertwined and fed on each other.

    In other words, because of the violence. Combined with more acceptable non-violent resistance (and some demonstrations weren’t all that non-violent), there was a real threat to order, which culminated after the student massacres at Kent State and Jackson State in MIssissippi. Besides which, we were losing the war – full credit to the Vietnamese themselves – and Nixon didn’t dare unleash the nukes, precisely because of the bombs and tear gas going off at home.

    All of which has some connection with some of the Weather Underground having academic careers later, as Rudd did.

    Incidentally, both Hedges and at least one commenter forget that quite a few of them were women. Credit where it’s due.

    That is not a comfortable lesson to draw.

  14. Violence permits, encourages, and enables non-violence. I remember those days. Kent State, primarily, stands out as an example. The huge marches (in which I participated in Los Angeles after my VN military experience) in the early ’70s saw police and their dogs on the sidelines but not in the middle of the marchers. It was always my feeling – shared by other marchers – that, as long as we remained non-violent yet vociferous in our protest, the urge the cops had to step in and bust some heads would remain unacted upon. Had there not been the earlier violence, some surely would have occurred eventually.

  15. The thrust of Rudd and Hedges message is that history teaches us again and again that those on left who promote violence are unwittingly sabotaging themselves. Che, Mao, ….

    Famous Chinese saying: Without Mao, there is no China.

      1. Yes, China is 3000 years old. But the Chinese have a saying, China is the oldest civilization on Earth, over 5000 years old. 🙂

        But your point is well taken. I should have corrected what I wrote, or wrote it write. “Without the CCP, There is No New China” That is the saying. Sorry. 🙂

        What they mean by this is that China under General Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of the opposition in 1949, the general who was defeated and fled to Taiwan, the western sympathetic imperialist leader, under that leadership, China might look a lot like a puppet state of the US. But of course, the strength and wisdom of Mao and others led to an independent nation, with all its particulars.

        Which is to say that the views of another people on the other side of the planet can be quite different. And we would be wise to take care with blanket views that all violence in history has been pointless. Not to advocate for violence. Not at all. Simply to acknowledge that when people turn to resistance, in some cases, they win.

        Just saying, take everything with a multitude of potential considerations, and don’t apply every argument universally. There is no point in advocating resistance of anything but the civil kind at this point in US history. But it can’t be applied logically at every point in past history, or even future history.

        Thank you to Chris Hedges and Mark Rudd for giving us good advice for the moment in US politics though.

      2. And Che and Castro(s) and Mao and Stalin and Lenin and other have all taken brave stands with certain metrics, certain evidence of success, that is hard to deny. We cannot re-run history to see what the world would be like without their types without the resistance in that form. But I suggest that it may have been quite one sided and dystopian. And without that thinking, without entertaining there was a Capitalist Encirclement strategy in the West, without the strategy they took to combat it, though religiously idealistic and manipulative, for whatever wrong you see in it, it had its merits in being the other pole, the dialectic if you will, the other that always rises to balance out. And today, with our violence abroad coming home, with militarized police now, we see something similar to the dystopian violence sent out, the dystopia of American society today, with the crushing personal debt, opioid epidemic, COVID epidemic, polluted water, dysfunctional government, failing schools, etc, etc, etc. The collapsing of our state is quite amazing. And that doesn’t hardly touch on what Trump and the radical right have done in the last few years. Think of the violence the other pole took up from 1920 on, and tell me it never makes sense to resist, to endorse political violence at special times (Czarist Russian of 1917, Batista Cuba of 1959).

        I don’t know. One is insane to advocate violence of the kind Rudd did in the late 60s. But in correcting himself, in resurrecting a proper view for our place and time, does he, does Hedges, go too far and try to make it principled and logical beyond what is true, what is empirically true?

  16. Of course China’s leftist resistance of 1949 against imperial forces is a completely different match. But not all resistance is unjustified. And small elements of dissent must ultimately make a decision when their power grows significant. Bernie Sanders drew in 70,000 peaceful followers at times. How peaceful and democratic will they be if pushed further and grown into massive groups 10 times as big? A good historian does not dismiss leftist 20th century solidarity and should not dismiss it in 21st. Pure political science thought should be able to entertain potential. Even if you choose to stay out of it, as I do.

  17. Even if you condemn leftist abuse of power of 20th century, justifiably so, one cannot ignore the enormous strength of it in China, Russia and all over. Even the Americans in 1776 had to resort to violence once they properly assessed the situation. The first year of the American Revolutionist’s campaign looked very dim under Washington.

    Who really understands such contests of power? Who can say? I would advise leftists to avoid violent rhetoric. Stay peaceful. But it’s not a rule or law of conflict that peace always prevails.

  18. Mark Rudd speaking from his fancy home saying “violence is self destructive” even though his violence got him fame and his fancy house, is pretty rich. I love Hedges, but insisting they should’ve talked to clergy is pretty self serving and escapes the horrors created by the clergy (child rape and religious wars alone destroy that argument). Additionally, can you name one concrete policy change that non-violent protest has accomplished since the Vietnam era? No Nukes? No. Police reform? No. Anti-war? No. Climate action? No. Immigration policy? No. I so wish we could be peaceful and get change. Unfortunately, peaceful protests are met with extreme violence and aside from lipservice, there is zero policy change from the powers that be

  19. I don’t agree that the reason that the Weather Underground used violence was”hubris, intoxicated by the lust for violence and hypermasculinity.” I wasn’t a member nor did I participate in any of this, but we were so enraged by the Vietnam war that it’s totally understandable why people would have a violent reaction to it without lusting for violence or hypermasculinity. I fully agree that it was totally wrong to denigrate other activists as “useless cowards” and claiming that they themselves were the only real revolutionaries was wrong in every sense; we need all types, from letter-writers to monkeywrenchers, and maybe even to those who use violence (the Nazis would not have been stopped by non-violence, for example).

    People like Hedges who have a moral and/or religious objection to using violence as a last resort fail to understand that for Gandhi and King, non-violence was a STRATEGY, not a moral imperative, and they said so explicitly. Like everything else in life, objections to using violence should have exceptions, and taking those objections too far is a bad thing.

    “Moral purity” is an establishment liberal talking point that’s used to dishonestly denigrate people who are more progressive or radical. There is nothing wrong with being pure in one’s beliefs, so long as it’s not taken too far, like anything else in life.

    Antifa is mainly a defensive group against white nationalists and racists. The Black people in Charlottesville were very thankful for them for protecting them against the racist white nationalists who had taken over the streets, to list just one of many examples. Antifa and Black Block are totally different groups, and there are legitimate and major problems with Black Block’s tactics and behaviors (I do generally agree with their politics). We don’t need more criticism of Antifa from progressives, we get plenty of that crap from liberals, conservatives, and other establishment types.

  20. In all revolutions there is room for all tactics.
    Here is a piece in Nelson Mandela own words. Read it it’s interesting and true.

    https://www.un.org/en/events/mandeladay/court_statement_1964.shtml

    Remember how many of our peaceful activist leaders died violently and exactly where we are now.
    Even getting the unions in the 30s lottsa people died Heather they fought or not.
    Our government dropped. Bobs on its own people during the coal miners strikes.

    1. @Howler
      Agreed! Nonviolence is a strategy, not a moral imperative. I fully get the religious prohibition against violence that Hedges follows, and in fact I have a lot of respect for it. MLK said that nonviolence is not for cowards. However, there is a much bigger issue here.

      I totally disagree with the myopic and self-centered definition of “violence” by the civilized world. Killing something to eat it is not violence, but all other killing is with only extremely rare exceptions such as justified self-defense. Everyone living in any way except as hunter-gatherers commits violence daily just by eating, because agriculture by definition requires killing native plants and the animals that depend on them. Industrial humans commit violence by driving and using electricity and fossil fuels, because getting and using those things kills plants and animals, and destroys habitats and ecosystems. Etc. As a debate whether property destruction is violence in San Francisco UNANIMOUSLY concluded, property destruction is not violence, but driving is.

      1. Yes, everything we do to sustain our lives and living conditions is violence. I agree.
        I respect the hell out Chris hedges and his principled outlook on this empire.
        But Mandela in his testimony took us step by step of how the strategies had to keep changing to fight the oppression.
        It looks familiar to me.

        I think throwing antifa off the edge is cutting off our noses too spite our faces.

  21. I have to disagree with Chris Hedges here. If anything, we became too passive, more concerned about theories than actual results. I admire people who go to the White House to protest voting rights but then what? They get arrested, because the right of free assembly does not exist anymore. In the past, even nuns and priests broke the law to protest nuclear weapons. They didn’t bomb anything but destroyed property. We just complain and go on social media , or find a demagogue, even one with good intentions, to emulate. I am all for “Antifa” to keep doing the work we all should be doing, which is trying to stop the spread of some dangerous precedents that will lead to unavoidable fascism. I wish it could be done without violence but that’s clear a dream. To me, they are brave people risking everything to keep us comfortably pondering and talking, without doing the walking. Every time a proto-fascist marches, it is a rehearsal for a bigger event.

    1. I agree with everything you said. At some point, we will all have to “fight” back in some form. If you don’t stand up to a bully, you only embolden him. I learned that first-hand, I’m afraid

      1. @Ron
        Correct! I was bullied in grade school. My dad taught me how to fight, I fought back, no more bullying. Fighting back is the only thing that bullies understand, high-minded/more evolved attitudes about nonviolence notwithstanding.

  22. O.k. No people died because of heathers….. that I know of. I meant weather
    And bobs actually could make pretty good missiles but bombs were what our government used on the coal miners. Sigh.

    1. I think that one or a handful of people died from Weather Underground actions, but certainly nothing to compare to the genocide committed by the U.S. in Vietnam or even at home against Native and Black people. Doesn’t make killing right (or wrong), but the only reason that our focus is on the Weather Underground instead of the ruling elites and their armies of brain-dead and immoral masses is that the corporate/mainstream/establishment media propagandizes for that focus.

  23. And the actions of the government and the corporate cronies perpetrate on the other world nations and its own people here in the u.s.a.
    Are the reason for the weathermen, sds, antifa, black panthers, actions
    It’s a vicious cycle . It’s hard to talk about the actions of antifa without addressing the context of their actions and why they have acted.

  24. Ah ha!
    Please forgive my spelling here but I remembered another group that was active when the weathermen and the S.D.S. were active and it just came to me.
    Again forgive the spelling.
    The sinbeinese liberation army.
    I know I know sigh. That’s not the correct spelling by a mile.

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