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Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them

The neocon's confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.
WASHINGTON, DC – MARCH 08: Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

By Glenn Greenwald / Substack

Self-anointed “fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeksmocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.

Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: “The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims “disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?” 

Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further “proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.

But Rubio’s clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:

Nuland’s bizarre admission that “Ukraine has biological research facilities” that are dangerous enough to warrant concern that they could fall into Russian hands ironically constituted more decisive evidence of the existence of such programs in Ukraine than what was offered in 2002 and 2003 to corroborate U.S. allegations about Saddam’s chemical and biological programs in Iraq. An actual against-interest confession from a top U.S. official under oath is clearly more significant than Colin Powell’s holding up some test tube with an unknown substance inside while he pointed to grainy satellite images that nobody could decipher.

It should go without saying that the existence of a Ukrainian biological “research” program does not justify an invasion by Russia, let alone an attack as comprehensive and devastating as the one unfolding: no more than the existence of a similar biological program under Saddam would have rendered the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq justifiable. But Nuland’s confession does shed critical light on several important issues and raises vital questions that deserve answers.

Any attempt to claim that Ukraine’s biological facilities are just benign and standard medical labs is negated by Nuland’s explicitly grave concern that “Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of” those facilities and that the U.S. Government therefore is, right this minute, “working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.” Russia has its own advanced medical labs. After all, it was one of the first countries to develop a COVID vaccine, one which Lancet, on February 1, 2021, pronounced was “ safe and effective” (even though U.S. officials pressured multiple countries, including Brazil, not to accept any Russian vaccine, while U.S. allies such as Australia refused for a full year to recognize the Russian COVID vaccine for purposes of its vaccine mandate). The only reason to be “quite concerned” about these “biological research facilities” falling into Russian hands is if they contain sophisticated materials that Russian scientists have not yet developed on their own and which could be used for nefarious purposes — i.e., either advanced biological weapons or dual-use “research” that has the potential to be weaponized.

What is in those Ukrainian biological labs that make them so worrisome and dangerous? And has Ukraine, not exactly known for being a great power with advanced biological research, had the assistance of any other countries in developing those dangerous substances? Is American assistance confined to what Nuland described at the hearing — “working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces” — or did the U.S. assistance extend to the construction and development of the “biological research facilities” themselves?

PolitiFact, Feb. 25, 2022.

For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described “fact-checkers,” it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the “development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures.” The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine “to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.”

This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the “facilities” in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons. If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland’s mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?

The indisputable reality is that — despite long-standing international conventions banning development of biological weapons — all large, powerful countries conduct research that, at the very least, has the capacity to be converted into biological weapons. The work conducted under the guise of “defensive research” can, and sometimes is, easily converted into the banned weapons themselves. Recall that, according to the FBI, the 2001 anthrax attacks that terrorized the nation came from a U.S. Army Research scientist, Dr. Bruce Ivins, working at the U.S. Army’s infectious disease research lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland. The claim was that the Army was “merely” conducting defensive research to find vaccines and other protections against weaponized anthrax, but to do so, the Army had to create highly weaponized anthrax strains, which Ivins then unleashed as a weapon. 

A 2011 PBS Frontline program on those anthrax attacks explained: “in October 2001, Northern Arizona University microbiologist Dr. Paul Keim identified that the anthrax used in the attack letters was the Ames strain, a development he described as ‘chilling’ because that particular strain was developed in U.S. government laboratories.” Speaking to Frontline in 2011, Dr. Keim explained why it was so alarming to discover that the U.S. Army had been cultivating such highly lethal and dangerous strains in its lab, on U.S. soil:

We were surprised it was the Ames strain. And it was chilling at the same time, because the Ames strain is a laboratory strain that had been developed by the U.S. Army as a vaccine-challenge strain. We knew that it was highly virulent. In fact, that’s why the Army used it, because it represented a more potent challenge to vaccines that were being developed by the U.S. Army. It wasn’t just some random type of anthrax that you find in nature; it was a laboratory strain, and that was very significant to us, because that was the first hint that this might really be a bioterrorism event.

This lesson about the severe dangers of so-called dual-use research into biological weapons was re-learned over the last two years as a result of the COVID pandemic. While the origins of that virus have not yet been proven with dispositive evidence (though remember, fact-checkers declared early on that it was definitively established that it came from species-jumping and that any suggestion of a lab leak was a “conspiracy theory,” only for the Biden White House in mid-2021 to admit they did not know the origins and ordered an investigation to determine whether it came from a lab leak), what is certain is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was manipulating various coronavirus strains to make them more contagious and lethal. The justification was that doing so is necessary to study how vaccines could be developed, but regardless of intent, cultivating dangerous biological strains has the capacity to kill huge numbers of people. All of this illustrates that research that is classified as “defensive” can easily be converted, deliberately or otherwise, into extremely destructive biological weapons.

Foreign Policy, Mar. 2, 2022.

At the very least, Nuland’s surprising revelation reveals, yet again, just how heavily involved the U.S. Government is and for years has been in Ukraine, on the part of Russia’s border which U.S. officials and scholars from across the spectrum have spent decades warning is the most sensitive and vulnerable for Moscow. It was Nuland herself, while working for Hillary Clinton and John Kerry’s State Department under President Obama, who was heavily involved in what some call the 2014 revolution and others call the “coup” that resulted in a change of government in Ukraine from a Moscow-friendly regime to one far more favorable to the EU and the West. All of this took place as the Ukrainian energy company Burisma paid $50,000 per month not to the son of a Ukrainian official but to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter: a reflection of who wielded real power inside Ukraine. 

Nuland not only worked for both the Obama and Biden State Departments to run Ukraine policy (and, in many ways, Ukraine itself), but she also was Vice President Dick Cheney’s deputy national security adviser and then President Bush’s Ambassador to NATO. She comes from one of America’s most prestigious neocon royal families; her husband, Robert Kagan, was a co-founder of the notorious neocon war-mongering group Project for the New American Century, which advocated regime change in Iraq long before 9/11. It was Kagan, along with liberal icon Bill Kristol, who (next to current editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg), was most responsible for the lie that Saddam was working hand-in-hand with Al Qaeda, a lie that played a key role in convincing Americans to believe that Saddam was personally involved in the planning of 9/11. 

That a neocon like Nuland is admired and empowered regardless of the outcome of elections illustrates how unified and in lockstep the establishment wings of both parties are when it comes to questions of war, militarism and foreign policy. Indeed, Nuland’s husband, Robert Kagan, was signaling that neocons would likely support Hillary Clinton for president — doing so in 2014, long before anyone imagined Trump as her opponent — based on the recognition that the Democratic Party was now more hospitable to neocon ideology than the GOP, where Ron Paul and then Trump’s neo-isolationism was growing.

You can vote against neocons all you want, but they never go away. The fact that a member of one of the most powerful neocon families in the U.S. has been running Ukraine policy for the U.S. for years — having gone from Dick Cheney to Hillary Clinton and Obama and now to Biden — underscores how little dissent there is in Washington on such questions. It is Nuland’s extensive experience in wielding power in Washington that makes her confession yesterday so startling: it is the sort of thing people like her lie about and conceal, not admit. But now that she did admit it, it is crucial that this revelation not be buried and forgotten.

Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald is the author of several bestsellers, including How Would a Patriot Act? and With Liberty and Justice for Some. His most recent book is No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State. Greenwald is a former constitutional law and civil rights litigator. He was a columnist for The Guardian until October 2013 and was the founding editor of the media outlet, The Intercept. He is a frequent guest on Fox News, Rolling Stone and various other television and radio outlets. He has won numerous awards for his NSA reporting, including the 2013 Polk Award for national security reporting, the top 2013 investigative journalism award from the Online News Association, the Esso Award for Excellence in Reporting (the Brazilian equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize), and the 2013 Pioneer Award from Electronic Frontier Foundation. He also received the first annual I. F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism in 2009 and a 2010 Online Journalism Award for his investigative work on the arrest and detention of Chelsea Manning. In 2013, Greenwald led the Guardian reporting that was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for public service.


  1. Russia claims they uncovered not only 30 biological labs, but documents confirming biological experiments are being conducted, aimed at strengthening the pathogenic qualities on deadly pathogens such as plague, anthrax, cholera, and others, using synthetic biology. Results from this research has been shared with US Navy and Army. All labs are funded by the US.

    UK: We disagree. Russia must cease their war as they are the aggressor. They’re guilty of conducting chemical assassinations.

    US: This is part of their disinformation program. They’re lying.

    France: Russia is lying

    Mexico: While we condone the acts of war, there should be a ceasefire to conduct a thorough investigation into these serious allegations of manufacturing bioweapons

    Brazil: Same thing as Mexico

    China: These are not lies, there are actually over 300 biological laboratories located around the world funded by the US. This is a serious allegation in which needs to be investigated. If these labs ARENT conducting this research, please provide the data to prove so.

    Russia: Ukrainian warfare imagery is false.

    US: We don’t have time for this dialogue as it’s based on lies. No further comment.

  2. The one person who would probably know for sure is Fauci. But he seems to be out of circulation these days.

    1. He’s busy with the NIH destroying documents linking the US to Ukraine in this case (again).

  3. There seems to be no bounds to the depravity and evil machinations of the US government. There is virtually no evil I think them incapable of committing and as time goes on I can’t help but feel that one of them is going to bring this entire Empire of Lies down to the ground taking the rest of us with it.

    Dark days my friends. We race headlong toward the cliff of oblivion with madmen and psychopaths at the wheel, and the people are so brainwashed, ignorant and mentally castrated that they just watch it all happen with eyes of total incomprehension lost in a sea of apathy, disunity, and powerlessness.

    Dystopian and I am alive to live it. I grew up reading dystopian novels…hell I think I read Animal Farm when I was twelve, but seeing it everyday…living it with no place to run or hide, knowing I am powerless to fight this tsunami of dysfunction, greed, hate and fear, is a hell of a lot more disturbing then reading about it in any novel.

    Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery.

    Orwell freaking nailed it.


    1. I keep wishing we could make Orwell fiction again, but “living it” among zombies from whom I’d sure like to “run and hide” only reminds me of Darth Schwab’s words that this is fictional.

  4. Actually I fear our circumstances are even worse than Mr. Greenwald so courageously observes: not only are we trapped in a miasma of lies so opaque its only obvious message is that our Masters have abandoned us entirely — that they have decided we no longer have any right to know the truth about what they are doing to us. We are also therefore cast adrift to navigate this miasma of lies as best we can — never mind it can quickly turn to terminal quicksand, sucking us down to World War III, our species’ extinction and the reduction of our Mother Earth back to a bug planet.

  5. I think were fast realising the cyclical reinforcement value of fear-saturated, psychological warfare narratives needed to coerce populations into supporting wars – but also the simplicity of these constructs themselves which are broadcast from the *same* 1% billionaire-owned corporate, media and political sources.

    What we’ve yet to process is the duration of these cycles, the scale of orchestration and the various *repeated* propaganda themes themselves which ‘channel’ us to all to war; especially the key demographic which forms the backbone of armies.

    Once you get your heads around this particular *normalised* narrative for the drill-down division of entire societies, and my interpretation housed in both the contemporary evidence and *historical precedence*, then you’ll understand why the billionaire class have absolutely no choice but to start the global war they had planned from the outset. (Be sure to check out the ‘#OpFukuglaschu’ trigger too).

    ‘Early Warning Signs of Fascism: The #MeToo Truth of Nr5 #RampantSexism’ (2020) by #GaslightingGilligan

    NB – with this piece I’ve found that people struggle to dispute my logic and the precedence but rather, their actual struggle – which is often emotional – is with ‘their own’ perceptions rooted in our neurobiological ‘roles’ and societal conditioned biases, much of which however has been (is being) coerced by media propaganda omission.

    Feedback and questions welcome.

    Twitter: @GasGilligan (© 2017) *free download*.

  6. Nuclear can be contained somewhat…biological weapons (under the guise of “defense” research), will probably make Oppenheimer’s quote from an ancient eastern religion “I am become death, the destroyer of nations” obsolete. The speed with which this Covid19 virus destroyed our national /global health physically, our economy, our political health (division) was shocking. The virus is not done in places in the world where vaccines have not been distributed…new variants are growing. Once a really aggressive-militarized version of one of these microbes gets out … a virus that was tweaked to make it kill in minutes, a tweak that makes it evade detection (so it kills faster than we can develop a cure) a tweak that makes it kill ALL (no one survives) that it comes in contact with PERIOD!! DOOMSDAY!!

    1. So does the usa, right? More than any other nation on this planet,correct? Here we go with the american/west hypocrisy and double standards again, am I wrong?

    2. @Tburd54
      Nuclear can be contained? Are you kidding? You don’t understand how that system works — much if not most of this is on automatic triggers, so that once nuclear weapons are launched, others from opposing nations also get launched, to list just one example — nor the great harms that will be caused by both a massive dose of radioactivity and blocking out the sun from all the soot that would be kicked up. Additionally, biological weapons would probably only target humans, so the rest of the planet would be fine. Nukes would destroy just about every species and ecosystem, much worse.

      I agree with your point about the other insanity of creating biological weapons, but you shouldn’t understate or underestimate the extreme destruction that a nuclear war would cause.

  7. Now that Victoria and Marco have had their show on tel-lie-vision, are we supposed to get ready for the next plandemic, perhaps with another lab leak storyline to keep us infotained during lockdown and medical martial law again? Maybe that false flag they’ve been priming us for is finally ready to launch? Who knows any longer when predictive programming has become so unpredictable? Just be sure to stay tuned for the next big shock-and-awe event, right after these announcements from our sponsors…

    “Are you tired of the inconvenience of carrying cash, now more dangerous than ever with germs? Here’s a one-time offer to go completely digital with Uncle Joe’s central bank currency exchange. Sign up today and get extra points on your social credit score! Call 1-800-SLA-VERY now!…”

  8. “Like any effective conspiracy theory, the Russian claim relies on some truths: Ukraine does maintain a network of biological labs dedicated to research into pathogens, and those labs have received funding and research support from the U.S.

    But the labs are owned and operated by Ukraine, and the work is not secret. It’s part of an initiative called the Biological Threat Reduction Program that aims to reduce the likelihood of deadly outbreaks, whether natural or manmade. The U.S. efforts date back to work in the 1990s to dismantle the former Soviet Union’s program for weapons of mass destruction.

    “The labs are not secret,” said Filippa Lentzos, a senior lecturer in science and international security at King’s College London, in an email to the Associated Press. “They are not being used in relation to bioweapons. This is all disinformation.””

    1. @Democracy Gone Astray
      Nice attempt at deflection, but what Glenn was pointing out was that these phony corporate “fact checkers” called anyone who claimed that these labs existed in Ukraine Russian or Chinese disinformation, or conspiracy theories. As to the use of the labs, why would Nuland profess concern that they’d fall into Russian hands if dangerous work like biowarfare isn’t being done there? Sorry bub, you have no credibility here, nor do any other western propaganda pieces who make BS claims like this.

  9. The continued presence of Glenn Greenwald on this site is really becoming a major embarrassment for all concerned.

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