Welcome to Scheer Intelligence, in this episode, Robert Scheer sits down with media scholar Nolan Higdon to dissect the explosive revelations emerging from the Epstein Files — newly exposed documents released under the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
At nearly 90 years old, Scheer says he has never seen anything like this.
This isn’t gossip. It isn’t tabloid scandal. It’s a rare, unfiltered look into how power actually operates in America.
From Silicon Valley giants like Peter Thiel and firms such as Palantir Technologies, to Wall Street titans and political elites spanning both parties — from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump — the files reveal a bipartisan ruling class operating beyond traditional accountability.
This week’s revelations focus on Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, alleged connections to gene-editing ambitions, intelligence networks, and a global web of influence reaching from Washington to Tel Aviv.
Scheer calls it “techno-fascism” — a fusion of concentrated wealth, surveillance technology, elite universities, and intelligence agencies — where power believes itself immune from moral restraint.
How did Silicon Valley become intertwined with the national security state?
What role did academia play?
Why does religion get invoked in public — but ignored in practice?
And why are so many lawmakers still silent?
Higdon, who has been combing through the primary documents, breaks down what’s real, what’s speculative, and what the public still hasn’t been allowed to see.
This is Episode Three of their ongoing weekly deep dive.
The question is no longer whether Epstein was powerful.
The question is: what system made him possible — and who’s still protecting it?
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Episode Highlights
- A Career Unlike Any Other Story
After decades in journalism, Robert Scheer says the Epstein files are unlike anything he has ever covered — not because of gossip, but because they expose the inner workings of America’s ruling class. - The Epstein Files Transparency Act
Newly released documents are offering an unprecedented window into elite networks of political, financial, academic, and intelligence power. - Zorro Ranch & Gene Editing Obsession
Discussion of Epstein’s New Mexico ranch and emails suggesting an interest in gene editing, life extension, and building influence within scientific and intelligence communities. - Silicon Valley & Intelligence Ties
Connections between Epstein and figures tied to Palantir Technologies, along with broader conversations about the national security state’s role in building Silicon Valley power. - Bipartisan Elite Network
Associations spanning political divides — from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump — suggesting elite protection cuts across party lines. - The Israel & Intelligence Question
Examination of reported links between Epstein, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and broader intelligence relationships. - Techno-Fascism Concept
Scheer introduces the idea of “techno-fascism” — the fusion of extreme wealth, surveillance technology, AI, academia, and state power operating without meaningful accountability. - Religion vs. Moral Accountability
A philosophical debate on how elites invoke “Judeo-Christian values” publicly while seemingly operating without moral restraint. - Universities & Elite Access
Discussion of how academic institutions became intertwined with billionaire donors and intelligence-linked networks. - Congress & The Remaining Files
Debate over why more lawmakers aren’t aggressively pushing to release the remaining Epstein files — and what it would take to force transparency
For more of Nolan’s work on the files and his other writing, visit his Substack.
Nolan Higdon is a political analyst, author, and host of The Disinfo Detox Podcast. He is a lecturer at Merrill College and in the Education Department at University of California, Santa Cruz, and serves as a national judge for Project Censored..
Full Transcript
00:01.11
Robert Scheer
Hi, this is Robert Scheer with another edition of Scheer Intelligence. Used to be on KCRW on the FM station in Santa Monica, but with the coming of Trump, and NPR is not what it used to be. I’ll just leave it at that. So now we’re on Substack, but we’re also on Apple, Spotify, Spotify, and everything else. And I’m really thrilled. What I like doing about this, I’m going to be 90 in about six weeks or eight weeks or something. i can’t get over that reality. And I’ve spent my life doing journalism of one kind and another ever since I actually I mentioned this once I was in Colin Powell’s class at City College studying engineering, and he went off to become top general and secretary state. And I went off to do ramparts and other things and then worked at the LHI for about 29 years. and But in all of that time, i don’t think I ever came across a story like the Epstein files.
00:57.78
Robert Scheer
and And I’m talking to Nolan Higdon, who I think is doing the best work in the country on this. And and it’s it’s thrilling, actually, at my age to learn to shut up And listen, and and we have this thing going now every Wednesday. This is episode three.
01:17.21
Robert Scheer
And he’s taken me to school on this. But because of something called the Epstein Files Transparency Act, suddenly the truth is kind of as uncontrolled as it’s been in my journalistic career. Yes, there’s no blacking out lots of pages, but there’s so much on on Epstein.
01:38.97
Robert Scheer
and And it comes out because there’s now All it’s bipartisan, the crowd that wants the truth to come out. And it’s not just for gods obviously not gossipy reasons, although it’s a great gossipy story.
01:54.42
Robert Scheer
It is probably the clearest insight we’ve had to were the workings of power. in the American empire that we have.
02:05.02
Robert Scheer
It is a gift that does not stop giving because it really brings us in to the bedroom, the living room, the bathroom, the hot tubs of the ruling class.
02:10.51
Nolan
you
02:18.65
Robert Scheer
It shows them naked, it shows them gross, it shows them their aspirations, their claims, it’s the anti-PR ingredient, it’s it’s the wonders of truth are suddenly a truly free press. If we could ever get one, this is it. And and ah Nolan Hagen, who is a professor in communications and I guess journalism in the UC system, they don’t they say communications, at Santa Cruz, UC Santa Cruz, is doing the best work. He’s got the Epstein in the shadows, incomplete truths in the high cost of official secrecy. He’s got a substack file.
02:58.27
Robert Scheer
I’ll let him promote that. But on a weekly basis now, he no one in the country is doing about a job covering it, as far as I can see. And so I’m going to let him begin this Wednesday morning episode and tell us what’s new.
03:16.15
Nolan
Hi, Bob. Thank you so much for having me. And yeah, folks can check out the work at nolanhigdon.substack.com. I’m trying to keep a weekly article coming out of the New Revelations, and I’ve got some places there where you can find all the the previous articles. And as you kind of mentioned, one of the things I’m trying to do is…
03:32.28
Nolan
go through the files as well as the reporting and see where evidence actually exists for the claims that are being made and cite it right there so folks can go back to the original documents. um Because while you’re right, there’s a lot of revelations coming out that are critically important. there There’s also a mix of some disinformation about the files as well. So I think if they go nolanhigdon.substack.com, they’ll be able to find a lot of the the primary sources embedded reporting to help better understand exactly what we’ve discovered here with these files.
04:01.46
Robert Scheer
So tell us, what’s this what’s this week’s revelations?
04:05.72
Nolan
Well, you know, this week, ah there’s been a a lot of revelations and focus on a kind of a part of the Epstein story that was really focused on in 2019, but kind of died off since then, but now has reemerged. And it’s about the so-called Zorro Ranch in New Mexico that Epstein owned. um And the…
04:27.13
Nolan
Emails seem to indicate that this ranch was part of um or was being used by Epstein as part of his larger goal of really wanting to get into gene editing. um Again, the the emails, as you noted, are redacted and incomplete. But one thing is clear, that Epstein was really obsessed with this idea of gene editing. He reached out to folks like Katherine Rumler, who was the then White House counsel to Barack Obama, as well as others.
04:52.09
Nolan
to try and get people in the and NSA who were a part of the so-called code breakers who were who are editing genes or looking into gene editing. And ah there’s indications that might be connected to his ranch. And I say that because in 2019, both the New York Times and the Guardian reported on these allegations that there was a DNA farm, or some people called it a baby farm in New Mexico. but what that’s really meant has not been substantiated. As I look through the files, though, I did find some interesting tidbits that may be associated with these claims. But again, I got to say, these are just, you know, we just get these emails. We don’t have a lot of context for them. But there’s one woman who accused Epstein of trying to buy her baby from her six months into meeting him.
05:39.38
Nolan
um There’s also some back and forth with the Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson, and she, Sarah Ferguson, indicates multiple times that she’s congratulating Epstein on having a baby boy. um Epstein even um in a ah email exchange with a redacted person says the baby boy is due March fifteenth It’s not known if Epstein ever had a child. um His brother thinks this is nonsense. He denies the idea that Jeffrey would have a child without his knowledge.
06:09.43
Nolan
um And then lastly, um in the New Mexico ah thing, there was a radio host in New Mexico who got an email from someone who claimed they had been to the ranch and knew that there were two girls who were killed and buried on the ranch property.
06:23.35
Nolan
And he said he would send a USB with more information to the radio host. But we don’t know if that ever went anywhere. But this week, New Mexico announced that it’s going to open up a truth commission and investigate the ranch. So at least the New Mexico state is claiming it’s going to do some investigation around these revelations.
06:44.08
Robert Scheer
So another bizarre, and bizarre is an important word. This window we have now, and I’m going to coin a label for all of this and that I think really is appropriate. and I had just thought about it listening to this because the the sickness of this, I’m going to call this techno-fascism.
07:08.02
Robert Scheer
And the reason I bring fascism in is, first of all, the search for ultimate power and the cause of greed, capitalism ultimately, denying Adam Smith. This is the canceling of Adam Smith and a real free market. This is concentrated capitalist power at the highest level. But if we go back and you think about the rise of capitalism in the last century,
07:34.49
Robert Scheer
And eugenics figured into this. And in fact, German fascism did a lot of gene editing, a lot of superior human being. After all, this was the whole master class idea, the perfect blonde, blue-eyed, German, you know Hitler was obviously the opposite of that, but that didn’t bother him. you know ah But the fact is the matter, the idea of the master race was to create in their own image the master a race and kill, destroy, impoverish anyone who was different, unless you could use them as slaves or in factories and so forth. and And what you have now, the endorsement of what’s been going on
08:17.94
Robert Scheer
with Epstein and then now and with Donald Trump, the administration by Silicon Valley. And these guys know all the contradictions. After all, Elon Musk makes most of his fiats in China, but that’s a variation of capitalism now. Chinese communism is really Chinese capitalism.
08:38.55
Robert Scheer
Communism ah you know is the worship of power. It’s a denial of their own mortality. They think they can live forever by… the proper genes and maybe also move up to another planet or what have you. There’s all these fantasies about, you know, eternal power, eternal life. And I think ah we don’t have your familiarity with the files, but I’ve read enough of them to know that across the board, Democrat, Republican, you know, from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump,
09:11.26
Robert Scheer
There is in all of it something about the inevitability of a superior group of people that they’re included in it. And by virtue of what their merits, they claim, their privilege, their skill, whatever, the rest of us are just a bunch of slobs to be exploited and to be manipulated.
09:27.89
Nolan
you
09:31.26
Robert Scheer
And so this twist in it, in terms of the ah gene editing is really, I think, basic to the story. And I want to stick with this techno-fascism label. I’m hoping you can steal it from me now. so forth. But the reason is it’s really a belief in the technology as the new, you know, what?
09:52.15
Robert Scheer
God thing, Jesus. i mean, because basically these people are secular in their aspirations. They can all say one nation under God. They can talk about religious values and so forth. But that’s the last thing on their mind. You know, you’re not going to get to heaven being in a hot tub with a teenage girl.
10:10.23
Robert Scheer
children You know, that’s not going to do it in the eyes of any God that I know about that’s been described. So clearly, these people did not think they were being judged by a traditional almighty in the Judeo-Christian tradition or actually any other.
10:27.58
Robert Scheer
major religious tradition they were indifferent to it absolutely indifferent to it you know who who who is going to forgive them you know for that you know clearly defies all the rules now somebody could bring up the catholic priests also get into some some of this stuff so i’m not going to say there isn’t hypocrisy But the idea, seriously, of how to, and I’m as an old guy, I think, well, yeah, what was this life thing all about? And, you know, what what ah what do you think it happens after? And you have different notions ranging from Birch and Russell thinking you have a life force that persists somehow. Lots of luck with that. But you did write books and have ideas. Or you’re remembered. Or maybe there is actually a heaven or a hell, and you’ll be rewarded or punished. But clearly,
11:15.61
Robert Scheer
Our ruling class, and this is now so extensive, when you put the head of Harvard, Lawrence Summers, in there, who was also our former Secretary of Treasury, and you know people like that in there, this is the top of the top, the creme de la creme, they used to say when I was growing up in the Bronx. So, you know, what is like could dig deeper here into what this really means. You know, we’re seeing…
11:40.79
Robert Scheer
You know, I noticed you used one of my headlines there from Shear Post, the Caligula Roman thing. These are the last days of the Roman Empire in a way.
11:51.74
Nolan
Yeah, and you know a couple of things you said there really really stood out. One, you talked about the the technology angle, the intersection of these kind of eugenics way of thinking that Epstein was clearly an advocate for.
12:01.98
Nolan
And he did actually think um that this gene editing was going to help extend his life. That was one of the things he wanted to do. um But you you mentioned the intersection of technology, and and that’s always been a ah part of fascism. I mean, folks forget that ah Hitler’s regime depended heavily on an IBM subsidiary that was able to track and manage all these different people that he was enslaving through the Nazi regime. So there’s always been that that close relationship. And in the Epstein files.
12:31.00
Nolan
This, I think, is where we get to Epstein’s intersection with academia. um He was really interested in using existing knowledge base and thinkers to try and produce this gene editing or understand what like a a superior human could or or would be. And you mentioned Silicon Valley. They’re heavily involved with Epstein. i mean, Epstein was on the cutting edge of um cryptocurrency.
12:57.40
Nolan
um He was a major advocate for Peter Thiel’s Palantir to be integrated throughout governments he was associated with, particularly the United States and Israel as well. And so you you see that throughout the the documents that a lot of these existing power structures we have today have Epstein’s fingerprints all over them.
13:17.26
Nolan
And I think that the techno fascism is is appropriate because um big tech has done such a good job of trying to sell itself as like a new hip industry. That’s not like the old rapacious capitalist robber barons of yesteryear. But the reality is they are they are the new the new digital versions of those robber barons from a gilded age of the past.
13:40.22
Robert Scheer
You know, it’s interesting because in my journalistic career, I did spend time with Nelson and actually David Rockefeller. i i spent time with the old ruling class. You know, Nelson Rockefeller was vice president when I interviewed him extensively and traveled with these people somewhat.
13:57.62
Robert Scheer
They at least had the restraint. of traditional religion and traditional perspective of accountability. And that’s why you know there’s the Carnegie Library commitment. there’s Even Bill Gates had, when I interviewed him once for Talk Magazine, I guess it was, he talked about giving away all his um money ultimately, and he with Warren Buffett were gonna do that. and have a legacy of what he’s done to solve real problems for real people in the world and gave away a lot of money. What is revealed in the Epstein file is hedonism.
14:37.50
Robert Scheer
It’s the opposite of any pretense of religion. I mean, clearly, these people do not believe in the God that they claim they believe in They clearly clearly don’t think they’re being judged, whether they’re Jewish, as Epstein was. There is, after all, in the Jewish biblical tradition, a great sense of judgment and accountability and laws, ah you know, commandments.
15:02.23
Robert Scheer
Right. I forget the number now, 940 or something that you have to observe, you know, and, you know. ah The idea that somehow these people are cavorting in this way just denies just what bullshit their comment about living in the Judeo-Christian ethic is.
15:25.21
Robert Scheer
Absolute bullshit. How can they, with a straight face, talk about any of this? They clearly are out for themselves. They’re unaccountable.
15:35.48
Robert Scheer
They think there is there are no moral principles that apply to the super wealthy. you know and And they’re going to do anything, anything to not only gain this enormous, unbelievable world class.
15:47.88
Robert Scheer
The world has never seen such wealth and such a gap between them and everybody else. The world, have to make this clear, people are sort of accepting this. We’ve never had this kind of income gap in the world that we have now.
15:59.93
Nolan
Mm-hmm.
16:01.46
Robert Scheer
Unbelievable. They can just discard ah you know millions. I mean, if you have three people, Peter Thiel one of them, who have more wealth than half of America, more wealth than half of the population, they can easily think the rest of the population is there for sale, exploitation, or get rid of them. Do we need them now? We got robots. We can do our AI. Why do we need them? We are in the hands of cynical monsters.
16:29.34
Robert Scheer
I mean, did these these people, ah you know, um I read the Epstein file not to find out what, you know, kind of wild sex they, because it’s not really very imaginative. It’s exploitive in the extreme. It’s not, you know, this is not D.H. Lawrence or something. You know, there’s not some great, you know, the Kama Sutra or something. This is, you know, ah this is This is tawdry in the extreme, but mixed in with this idea is that they are somehow going to continue life be beyond anybody else’s expectation, and there’s clearly no, not a moment of accountability.
17:09.24
Robert Scheer
not in any, you’ve read these files now, none of them ever seem to question, you know, in the founders of our constitution, you read their diaries, you read their letters, there’s a lot of questioning.
17:10.91
Nolan
Yeah.
17:20.76
Robert Scheer
Who are we to make a new republic? Can we really restrain ourselves? Are we really on the side of virtue, you know, and so forth? They refer to religious tradition, even when they’re deists or, you know, non-believers, they refer to it. These people have no reference points in any Anything smacking of of a recognition of responsibility, of eternal questions of life and death, they are simpletons.
17:48.25
Robert Scheer
They are simpletons. They are going to be in hot tub do it with a teenager or something or someone who looks like a teenager and and they think this is wonderful.
17:58.71
Nolan
yeah that’s one of the things that comes through in the communications, right? there There is no real sort of deep exploration of virtue. And the way you and I might communicate via text or email to say set up like a lunch date is how they talk about things like insider trading or ah trafficking women. It’s it’s because… ah when you look at the individuals who are in the Epstein files, so many of them have gotten away with so many massive crimes for so long, it becomes normalized. Like, um you know, one of the folks who really made some news today, Les Wexner, who was the um head of the Victoria’s Secret Empire, ah he’s going to be called in for Congress, he’s gonna be deposed before a committee.
18:38.42
Nolan
he you know He and Epstein were a part ah a part of yeah the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s. Epstein helped you know broker the U.S. weapons through Israel to Iran, and then the planes that were used afterward um were brought to the United States as part of by Les Wexner. That in it that alone is is a massive crime um that broke a congressional order in the 1980s, but they get away with things like that. And then you also read in the emails…
19:06.30
Nolan
um Just some of the the details of the accusations against these men, um the sex crimes that they committed, like Epstein would probably through Wexner um get associations such as popular models like Naomi Campbell. And then he would use that association to to tell young girls like, look, I’m associated with the Victoria’s Secret Empire and Naomi Campbell, this this famous model.
19:27.54
Nolan
I can get you a part of that as well. to have this big party at my house with all these execs. And then the the girls show up and the party only has Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein at it. And then you read in the files um the accusations these survivors make. And I’ve tried to Temper in my writing, um some of the accusations to be respectful of the survivors, but I mean, it’s, it’s grotesque. As you pointed out, it’s not, it’s not like Kama Sutra or some like enlightened sexual vision. It’s pure exploitation abuse, sometimes in the form of like gang assault and things like that in the files.
20:04.06
Nolan
And then you also read the ways in which um Epstein really grooms these girls.
20:05.80
Robert Scheer
Thank you.
20:09.22
Nolan
He’s telling a girl who he says is 14 years old how to act 22. There’s multiple emails about that. um He’s telling them that, you know, you remember, you’re 22. Nobody wants to hear you talk.
20:19.58
Nolan
Men barely want to hear you talk when you’re 30. He says something like that in emails. And then your your point about how um they it’s just hedonistic. they they seemingly think they can get away with everything because they have connections everywhere.
20:32.99
Nolan
So if they get in like a financial, um you know, tough spot financially, they have levers to pull on rich people to blackmail them or they have insider trading or if they get in a tough spot politically, they have levers to pull on people they know in administrations or governments or the intelligence community.
20:49.98
Nolan
If they get bad PR and their characters assassinated in the public, they have levers to pull in the press to resuscitate it um or to change it consistently throughout the files. These folks just act like the world is their playground. And it’s, you know, back to the George Carlin line, it’s a big club and you ain’t in it. um Everybody who’s not in it seems to be just kind of background characters for the larger story of of a lot of these elites. And Up until ah you you and I talked about this in the last couple episodes, I was pretty angry at the fact that other governments were moving rapidly to open open up investigations, but the United States was not. Most of the people who stepped down were through shame, right, at Goldman Sachs or or Larry Summers and other academics or are people at law firms.
21:34.33
Nolan
um We have seen some slight movements by our government in the last week. The Democrats have proposed Virginia’s law so they can retroactively prosecute some of the sex crimes.
21:45.05
Nolan
um The Clintons are going to be brought before Congress, which may help shed some light, at least draw attention to the story. And now it looks like Les Wexner, who’s one of the alleged co-conspirators who’s named in the files, according to the internal investigation by the DOJ and Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna,
22:03.98
Nolan
he’s going brought before a committee as well. So to say the wheels of justice move slow is an understatement. But ah we at least saw like the slightest movement toward government actually taking some action on this that we’ve seen since the Epstein saga has captured national attention.
22:20.33
Robert Scheer
You know, I’m thinking, okay, you mentioned the Israel connection. And, of course, anytime you want to – we now have national and here in California state law saying we don’t dare talk about Israel or anything connected with Israel or we’ll be accused of being anti-Semitic and, therefore, you’ll lose your job teaching and so forth. But the fact is this is really – demeaning of the Jewish tradition and certainly the religious Jewish tradition that here these folks are supposed to be helping Israel, right, which is supposed to be a Jewish state and that they they did God’s work. God was supposed to return, right? But no, they do it. And what is that about? Because, you know, um I can’t claim that I’ve been a big believer, but I was married into an Orthodox family. My mother came out of a whole Jewish shtetl tradition, you know, and so forth.
23:21.66
Robert Scheer
And certainly it is a demanding religion. That was in fact my mother’s objection to it. it know She came from a family, a long family of Vilna rabbis, and maybe even the Vilna gun is somewhere in the mix. and And my whole experience with the religion was about the things you’re not supposed to do. And then I would work in the Catskills. And if you put a fleisha digger spoon in a milch digger pot, you could be fired. you know This was against God’s law. You can’t mix milk and meat and and so forth.
23:54.71
Robert Scheer
These people are ostensibly trying to help Israel and his partner. Isn’t she Jewish also? The Maxwell family, as i recall. and
24:04.57
Nolan
Yeah, from Robert Maxwell, yeah.
24:05.72
Robert Scheer
Yes, and and and Epstein. And so I’m not here now to feed some kind of anti-Semitic trope. I’m here to examine the the slander of the Jewish people, slander. This is anti-Semitism with a vengeance in this saying. This is somehow supportive of Jews, that Epstein, why would he…
24:27.80
Robert Scheer
be welcomed? What is going on here? you know Why doesn’t he think the commandments, any of them, apply to him or to his partner? Really, what is going on in their brain? And and after all, if you believe at all in judging God Almighty and you really believe life is a preparation for something else and so forth, how in the world you pursue this? I’ll use this word, with such abandon.
24:57.34
Robert Scheer
Why do they not have a conscience? I think this is the really key question to ask. you know we A lot of us, we do bad things. We can do bad things. We’ve done bad things. In fact, it’s wrapped into the tradition, the geocratian ethic, that you will be tempted.
25:15.02
Robert Scheer
you will I Jimmy Carter at some length, caused him some problems when I did my Playboy interview with him, but he was talking about we all sin. And we have to fight sins and we can sin in our mind and so forth. So Jimmy Carter, the Sunday school teacher, was tormented by ideas of what sin and took it very, very seriously, you know, which is why we had that discussion. He brought it up.
25:39.08
Robert Scheer
You know what these people claim they care about Israel. They came up to claim they care about Jewish people. all Right. what What are they doing? Wexler and right. And Epstein is supposed to care about the future of Jews and how they’re perceived.
25:52.98
Robert Scheer
And they open up this this ah horrible view of of what it means to be Jewish.
25:53.88
Nolan
it it
26:01.94
Robert Scheer
Right.
26:02.32
Nolan
It’s yeah, there was always, so the, the intersection of Israel and and Epstein have have always captured people’s attention and to, to kind of understand why i think it’s important to go back to, to Robert Maxwell, who’s Ghislaine Maxwell’s ah father and um not necessarily in terms of sex crimes, but in terms of like the belief that he was international intelligence.
26:23.98
Nolan
Um, Robert Maxwell kind of predated Epstein. um He was this connected figure ah who was believed to be an Israeli spy. Israel never admitted that.
26:34.72
Nolan
Robert Maxwell never admitted that. But after he died, is yeah yeah and after he died Israel gave him a state funeral.
26:38.61
Robert Scheer
He’s the press baron, right? You should explain that. but give a you Give us his background, too. He was a major British publisher, right?
26:50.39
Nolan
Yeah, um I believe he was originally born in Ukraine. He escaped um Nazi Germany, ah ah but lived between Britain and France a lot, created ah a media empire. And it was largely believed, like I said, he his connections to Israeli intelligence.
27:08.50
Nolan
um he He had a state funeral by Israel when he died. Some folks say he died under mysterious circumstances. I think he was so he was on a boat supposedly and engaging in… um sex with his then girlfriend or wife when he died. It was it was a mysterious circumstance. But um his daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell, ah then ended up with Jeffrey Epstein, who had you know similar rumors of these intelligence connections. And I think looking through the files, ah there’s plenty of evidence to say that ah Epstein was either formerly or informally
27:41.05
Nolan
ah In Israeli intelligence, I say that because there was a confidential human source and an FBI informant who said so. He has these long connections with Ehud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel. He’s helping Ehud Barak on multiple things, connections to international organizations, connections to international leaders.
28:00.95
Nolan
ah like helping sell Israeli software that’s used for intelligence like spyware or facial recognition software to other countries to use. First, they would test it. They mean Israel would test it on like the Palestinians and then sell it to places like Nigeria and Epstein would help with that as well. So that um Israel seems to have had ah or some of Israeli’s leadership, I should say, Ehud Barak being number one, had an interest in Epstein purely for his connections, what could be described as intelligence services and the financial opportunities that they also engendered.
28:38.84
Nolan
And that becomes very, very clear in the files. Now, um we don’t know the extent of that. It’s also worth noting that Epstein was not just within Israeli intelligence. We see him really trying to connect with the Russians and Russian intelligence. He really seemed interested in trying to get meetings with Vladimir Putin.
28:56.02
Nolan
although it’s not clear if those ever were delivered upon. And then he’s highly um ah connected to US s intelligence as well, particularly the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency as well. um He has those connections throughout the file. so This this has really I think the revelations from these files have really shook Israel because not only does it um contradict some of the things the Israelis have said, for example, in one um exchange, Ehud Barak is talking to Epstein and he’s bemoaning the fact that i
29:31.80
Nolan
if Basically, if a one state solution is allowed to emerge, Jews are going to be the minority in Israel. And he’s he’s talking to Epstein about how to to ensure that doesn’t happen, that Jews do not become the minority in Israel. So we have that kind of exchange. And that looks really bad. It it counters a lot of what Israel has previously said about their their goals. Yeah.
29:53.53
Nolan
in um with Gaza. And this week, ah the Israel Israel decided to leak or give to Fox News a story that they think it’s total BS that Epstein was ever connected to Israeli intelligence. But to me, the fact that the Israeli government felt like they had to do that illustrates to me that that they’re feeling pretty wounded by a lot of these ah revelations And I think it’s important to note to audiences too, and you you brought this up with these new laws about how it’s basically illegal to to criticize Israel.
30:24.70
Nolan
Israel had a you know monopoly on both parties and it was really ah Benjamin Netanyahu who kind of severed that. He ignored… um Barack Obama, who remember, didn’t invite him to the US, and then Congress, who was ran by Republicans, did invite him. And that started a divide between um the party’s bases over Israel. And that only grew throughout Gaza. Joe Biden’s support for Israel when they were engaging in something in the United Nations called a genocide. ah That sent a lot of Democrats the other direction. Now we see
30:56.92
Nolan
A lot of Democrat politicians are running from admitting that they take APAC money. Even Gavin Newsom twisted himself and in circles over that. So I think these laws were kind of a last ditch effort to secure support for Israel as they see it slipping through their hands. And Epstein revelations, I think, have contributed to that.
31:15.45
Robert Scheer
But I’m trying to get to a more basic question about religion and its relation to the American empire in a way. First of all, i’m barack and on sorry, and and the Israeli leader, ah there was a scandal he had, i’t forget financial or what have you. so He’s really, and yet he still remains a major figure, but he had, you know, he’s not typical of every Israeli leader and clearly is controversial. And ironically, he seemed to have been closer than, say, Netanyahu, who I don’t think is tainted in any way in this connection, right?
32:01.72
Robert Scheer
You know,
32:02.47
Nolan
Not that I’ve seen.
32:03.48
Robert Scheer
Yeah, so I just think we have to be careful careful here.
32:03.51
Nolan
Yeah.
32:06.88
Robert Scheer
i don’t, not that I’m, I expect they’ll apply the law no matter what, no matter what you say, but but the the fact of the matter is what what I’m really trying to get is at a deeper question, the misuse of religion.
32:20.89
Robert Scheer
You know, because after all, if anti-Semitism means anything, it means disparaging the right of people to hold a different religious view, in this case, Judaism, and and their interpretation of the Old Testament and and so forth. and And really, we’re talking about the most substantive questions of human existence. What is right and wrong? Where is morality? now That’s what I’m trying to get at. Whether they claim to be Christians or they claim to be Jewish, This whole crowd, and I bring up Jimmy Carter because, you know, he died not that long ago and I spent time interviewing him, as I did, by the way, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan and a lot of other people. And, you know, the idea that we invoke the Judeo-Christian ethics so all continuously and so completely ignore
33:14.46
Robert Scheer
any of their requirements. I mean, when I was working in the Catskills, if it was a possible violation of a commandment to throw the fork that had been used to eat meat with a milk fork, and you have to have two sets of silver, two sets of dishes, and that’s serious, clearly violating all those other commandments about how you behave, right? We certainly go into sex a lot and what is proper and not proper. You know, how can they be so splendidly indifferent to all this. That is one reason I’m pushing it. I think that if we really want to talk about anti-Semitism, we have to talk about disparaging.
33:55.15
Robert Scheer
After all, what was anti-Semitism as applied to the Jewish people was denying the right of Jews to worship God in their way and take God seriously in their way and read scripture in their way. and This was denied, right, by People who use Christianity as a weapon against them, you know, you killed Jesus and so forth. This is what anti-Semitism is based on. But if we take any of these religions seriously, you have to wonder how people can live this way.
34:25.18
Robert Scheer
ignoring the most obvious rules of all of these religions. That’s my only point. And I want to get back finally with you being very generous with your time. If we can go to another few minutes, that would be good. I want to get back to Palantir, this mystery organization and remind people Palantir is an organization. This is a whole Silicon Valley.
34:48.79
Robert Scheer
is really reflected in the story of palantir because silicon valley claims oh we’re just the market we’re just free enterprise we just were brilliant capitalists but the fact is silicon valley is a creation of the military industrial complex technically originally this was a doctor it was the uh you know uh use of uh and the whole first of the whole internet
35:03.60
Nolan
Right.
35:11.93
Robert Scheer
ah we’re Really, what is the internet? The internet is finding a way of communicating that can elude electromagnetic impulse that would destroy all conventional elections. So you have the packets and break it up into fragments and then reassemble it so it will survive a nuclear war.
35:28.57
Robert Scheer
And so out of that investigation, that planning, comes the whole idea of the internet, which ends up being the wired world. And the reason it’s robust, the reason it can expand indefinitely, is because it is fragmented inherently. i don’t want to go into the whole technology. ah but So these people have been in partnership in Silicon Valley, so forth, with government from day one. And what the Edward Snowden revelation is made so clear Myers, is their data is what’s fueling the CIA and the and NSA and everything else and and and so that’s why our constitutional protections should protect us against Google and and Apple and everyone else because they’re working cahoots with the government that’s the real meaning. of Snowden’s revelations, which has been denied by Sulkner. Oh, we just do it our own way. Palantir is the case study, this hugely important organization. The CIA was its only client for the first three years.
36:24.63
Robert Scheer
They didn’t make any money other than and what did how could they develop their system? They had access to CIA files. They were able to dig into the most treasured a collection of data on Americans and develop their models. at coquet And then after that, they could then move on to the public. And the CIA, the organization was called NQTEL, invested in and and them, what was among them. and uh and you can look at peter teal all of these people come out of that alex carp and all that these people and so there’s this fantasy that somehow they’re just these wild guys in in silicon valley no they exist because they can manipulate government they can use government and and so forth and that’s what’s coming out here now they had perfect access to government
37:14.55
Robert Scheer
and And Epstein is example. But it also reveals their connection with the universities. the The real story, and the New York Times really had a lame story this week about how dependent universities are on money raising. But that’s not what’s the case here. The universities are financed by government primarily. and And there’s no distinction between the state schools and the private. The private, as we see with Columbia and Harvard, are all at the beck and call of government. And they’ve done it discreetly. They’ve done it through supporting military investigations and research and so forth. So and let’s take the next two and a half minutes or so, because I think we’re on to really
37:55.61
Robert Scheer
Big point here in what’s called Epstein in the shadows. It’s not Epstein in shadows. It’s power in the shadows. it’s These are the most powerful people. And finally, in history and studying, we don’t have this for Russia and and under communism or under Putin. We don’t have it for China. We don’t have it for Saudi Arabia.
38:16.76
Robert Scheer
But one of the blessing contradictions of our Constitution is it’s created this room for an act to be passed, holding the government accountable, getting these documents. You are now spending time with these documents.
38:31.35
Robert Scheer
It seems to me this is the dawning of a new age, unless they kill all of us before we get the story out.
38:39.51
Nolan
Yeah, I think, um yeah, a couple of things you said there I think are really important. And and one is, um yeah, we always tell the story of Silicon Valley of people starting out in their garage. but as you point out, it was defense industry spending in higher ed that created a lot of these tools. But on top of that, the government picked which companies would sink or swim. um Larry Ellison is a prime example of this at Oracle. um Government contracts, particularly the CIA, allowed Oracle to outcompete some competitors like Sybase and others. And then ditto with like the Elon Musks of the world, Palantir’s Peter Thiel. A lot of these folks were were chosen with these massive government contracts.
39:17.85
Nolan
And to your point about higher ed, yeah, there’s a direct relationship there because, and this is where I think the Carter analogy is interesting because Carter, ushered in ah the neoliberal era where the public was convinced that public institutions need to run less for the public good and the common good and underneath bureaucrats and more like private industry so they can be more efficient.
39:22.18
Robert Scheer
Thank
39:40.27
Nolan
Well, what that has resulted in is a reduction in spending and a reduction in accountability. The public runs like the private, which is very corrupt and profit seeking. And higher ed is is no different. um The New York Times got part of the story right. Epstein would use the potential to donate money to scholars as a way to get his foot in the door. Some scholars wanted money for research.
40:03.48
Nolan
But from there, it would develop into all sorts of different relationships where he would be asking them advice or connecting them with other people with projects they could particularly work on, um you know, basically bribing them with gifts, these trips and things like that. And he would get them in their their inner circle to the point where folks like Larry Summers were comfortable enough seeking relationship advice, you know, from Epstein. And and that was the way this this relationship evolved.
40:31.18
Nolan
developed And I think um to your point about this dawn of a new understanding, i think the erosion of civics or or the common good, which so much of that was eradicated in the late 1970s in terms of our like public discourse.
40:44.21
Robert Scheer
Thank you.
40:46.42
Nolan
This is sort of what you end up with when everything is geared toward the market market and run more like private industry. And we trust private industry more than we trust um a government of by and for the people.
40:58.26
Nolan
These are the type of people who rise, the people who are savvy enough to figure out how to manipulate the system. Those who are motivated by hedonistic desires, especially wealth and sex.
41:10.29
Nolan
Those are the ones who rose in in that system. And we’re starting to peek behind the curtain of exactly how it happens.
41:16.38
Robert Scheer
More than a peak. And we can wrap this up if you want, because we’re going to do this next Wednesday.
41:17.57
Nolan
Mm-mm.
41:21.42
Robert Scheer
And people can read you on a daily basis. You know let’s get the promo in there on the way out. But it’s more than a peak. I don’t think. And i’m this i’ll talk I’ll play my age card here. I’ve covered a lot of stories in my life. I go back a long way. and And I’ve never seen a story like this because I would, you know, I went to the Commission on Critical Choices and the Trilateral Commission that David Rockefeller had, the Trilateral, that was the Rockefeller Commission for it. I was able to get lots of information you know and and so forth, and but nothing. It was the tip of the iceberg of how power works. you know C. Wright Mills, the greatest sociologist, which probably the greatest professor we’ve had on the social sciences side, was at Columbia, wrote about the the power elite and he wrote about all these things. And and you can only get a glimpse of it
42:19.96
Robert Scheer
And it’s so great having you on the Epstein in the shadows, because it’s really not just Epstein. It’s the world that he maneuvered. He didn’t create that world. He probably gave it its crudest manifestation, you know.
42:33.56
Robert Scheer
But then the fact that they would it would also be the most successful assemblage of power. It was much and more important than the Trilateral Commission or the Bilderberg Group or all of the groups that we used to refer to, Domhoff, used to do studies on what was the elite in america well of course the secret of power in america is to deny there’s an elite we’re all in the middle class we’re all ordinary people we all are equal voters you know it was a alive from day one when the guys with the wigs and the only guys and only white guys of affluence got to write the constitution but the fact of the matter is it’s become a bizarre absurd exercise and it doesn’t matter whether you’re bill clinton and called from Poverty, as long as they can groom you, train you, you know, give you the Rhodes Scholarship, do this and that, and then you play ball and then you go for it.
43:23.71
Robert Scheer
And, you know, i don’t know what he’s going to say in this hearing. It’s not a public hearing, right? He’s just going to, he’s being grilled grilled in private, right?
43:31.75
Nolan
They’re still debating that. It may be public. They’re they’re trying to get it public. The Clintons want it public.
43:35.64
Robert Scheer
But but you know these people are very good at presenting themselves and they have very good advisors of how you present yourself. And they’ll hide behind partisanship. And you know and and you know so we don’t want our side attack. So ah go easier on the other side. That’s going to be the great trade-off. But what I’m saying it here, and I wrote it down, I love it so much, of the Epstein Files Transparency Act has a life of its own.
44:02.81
Robert Scheer
you know and and And this is how we learned in the old days about COINTELPRO. There was so much shock that suddenly we have access to this information of how government really works. And I would tell people, if you find this, you have to pay attention to it because this is really how power works in America. We are not this egalitarian democracy. We never have been. But certainly with the rise of this technology, We are in, okay, let me get it out there again, techno-fascism.
44:36.45
Robert Scheer
Make a bumper sticker. that that That’s really what it’s about. And with AI now, they can present their case. They’ll come out with books celebrating Epstein.
44:47.63
Robert Scheer
they’ll come out with an analysis of these files that show he was on the real side of virtue, right? Because that’s what they can do. They have huge land now with huge sources of energy and can mine through, they call it mining, but it’s very selective mining, go through all this data and spin a whole new narrative,
45:09.72
Robert Scheer
Nice word for it.
45:11.35
Nolan
Thank you.
45:11.45
Robert Scheer
You know, pack of lies, this narrative. And they will show, oh, you know, Epstein really meant well. You know, he just was misguided a little bit. And forget about the part with the young girls. You know, that just kind of was the wallpaper that, you know, existed. And that’s what they’ll do.
45:27.93
Robert Scheer
and And, you know, the exercise that you and I are having, and I applaud your sub-stack, I applaud you getting to word the word out. The fact is we don’t reach very many people. that That’s in part of the illusion of a free media now.
45:39.96
Robert Scheer
and And when they own the real media, I mean, what does it mean? The people we’re talking about own these newspapers now. They own the television. they You mentioned Larry Ellison. There went 60 Minutes. There went CBS, the legendary news organization. How do you teach journalism now? Oh, yeah.
45:58.19
Robert Scheer
you You usually have veterans of CBS telling you how great. We’ve covered this and we covered that. The Washington Post, we covered this. No, you you don’t do that anymore. You’ve got legend newspapers that have all been bought.
46:09.66
Robert Scheer
By people who have no responsibility, even to their listeners, they don’t care. They have so much money. They don’t care. They lose some subscribers or listeners or advertising goes down.
46:16.93
Nolan
you
46:19.46
Robert Scheer
It’s not important to them. Right. This is Trump change. I mean, Bezos bought the Washington Post with pocket change. He didn’t use Amazon money. Right. So he.
46:28.82
Nolan
No, yeah, no, that’s I mean, it was nothing to him. And remember, he was supposedly buying it to because he cared about saving democracy. But now he’s having mass layoffs at at the paper. But, you know, i want I want to say one other thing, though, just to to listeners out there, because DropSite News sent a reporter down to Capitol Hill to try and interview senators and representatives about the Epstein files.
46:49.14
Nolan
And they all basically ignored the interview. They pretended they hadn’t read the files or didn’t have a comment. the there’s at least 3 million more files that haven’t been released. Some estimates say only 2% of the files have been released. There’s also financial records, et cetera. um Congress doesn’t have to wait for a release. Congress people could go check out the files in a skiff and then come on the floor and tell people what they read. And I’m actually going to encourage partisanship here. If you’re a Democrat, go find all the the things about Trump that are in there. Read them on the floor. Force Republicans on the defensive to release the files to prove you wrong. um Ditto with Republicans. You can do that to Democrats as well. I think this game of waiting is is just absurd. I think there actually is a lane here where partisanship could at least…
47:34.14
Nolan
force some more movement on this issue because the Trump administration seems hell bent on protecting the remaining files. And let’s not forget both in his first term and second term from Tom Barack to Alex Acosta to to Steve Bannon, not to mention his associations with Palantir and Peter Thiel. his cabinet is full of people associated with Epstein. And so they have a collective effort in in protecting that. So I hope people in Congress will go check out those files, read things on the floor, let things slip. They’re they’re legally allowed to do so. And it would be useful to the American public.
48:06.35
Robert Scheer
David Kahneman, Well, have a little caveat here. David Kahneman, I know really um I don’t think it’s going to happen, because I think if we understand power. David Kahneman, You know it’s not just the yes, the power is concentrated in the people that we’ve been talking about, but their ability to buy off what I call the courtier class.
48:28.06
Robert Scheer
people with advanced degrees, people who are articulate, people who look good and so forth. And to buy them and to control the narrative is never in human history have we had this kind of ability of power to corrupt the rest of us. And and you know people will just start to think, well, that’s the way it is. It’s too bad I didn’t get invited to the party. ah Too bad I don’t know how to speak that language. you know And even what you end up teaching, what you end up promoting in people will not be critical thinking will not be justice will not be truth-seeking will not be fairness it’ll be how do you succeed in that world clearly these people were all enormously successful they have the biggest houses the biggest yachts the most freedom and they’re actually admired because they can have buildings named after them and they can create their own legend it gets back you know to basically this biblical question of accountability
49:27.03
Robert Scheer
ah If you’re not accountable to your maker, and clearly even the arrogance of some of these people that there is a God, I don’t think they think they can buy them off. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you know there’s ah an almighty just waiting for the right offer from Larry Ellison or from you know Elon Musk or something. But you know what you’re really talking about is, and I hate to criticize secular society,
49:53.46
Robert Scheer
But the fact is, we are ah secular culture. So is China. So is Russia for all of their pretenses about religion. The one thing religion gave us was some notion of accountability. It could be corrupted. It could be bought off. Obviously, the churches and the synagogues have gone along with bad things. But at least there was some notion of this life as a test of your virtue, as a test of your goodness, or if a test of your commitment. Clearly, what the Epstein files reveal is across different religions, whether they’re Protestant, Catholic, atheist, whatever they are, they all fell for this.
50:33.21
Robert Scheer
Not only fell for this, were enthusiastic, couldn’t live without it, wanted a book it that weekend at No, I’ll do that. I’ll get on that airplane instead of being with my grandchildren or, or you know, at least doing what Jimmy Carter did as expresident work with the poor or try to build shelter housing. Oh, yeah, I’ve got time for that. But when I really want to spend my weekends and weeks and the conversations, you know, and you’re looking at someone like Lawrence Summers, what is he talking about? He’s not talking about the proper way to teach economics so that next time you won’t author legislation, inspire legislation that lets the banks get away with the theft of the American people, which is what Lawrence Summers did as Bill Clinton’s Treasury Secretary. These horrible acts, the financial service monetization, commodity futures, mind all of which let Wall Street run amok. So he’s not now thinking, he’s just thinking, well,
51:25.85
Robert Scheer
why was I stupid to hang out with that guy? Or why did I write that email? Right? But the basic soul questioning, how did you leave this country you claim to love in such a sorry state?
51:38.04
Robert Scheer
How did you allow all these people to be hurt? I don’t see any remorse. People step down, they say, okay, I can, maybe I can’t run the Olympics or I can’t run my company or i can’t run this law firm, but what, Paul Weiss or something. They resign. But no serious reckoning.
51:55.74
Robert Scheer
with what your activities and actually through a lifetime have done to destroy this greatest example, greatest experiment in democracy the world has ever seen. We shouldn’t forget that. If democracy fails in America, it’s going to be pretty hard to pitch it anywhere else in the world for centuries, okay, if ever.
52:14.84
Robert Scheer
Seriously, we’re the one.
52:15.83
Nolan
Yeah, I think it’s a good point.
52:17.24
Robert Scheer
Yeah, we we we claim the franchise of democracy. If democracy turns down to these hoodlums being able to do whatever the hell they want, like they’re drunken fraternity kids or something, you know, what does that do to human aspiration?
52:33.94
Nolan
Yeah. And I think you know your your point you keep coming back to about religion, i think whether it’s religion or not, I keep connecting it to this idea of service for one’s country or one community. that That’s something that has been superseded by the pursuit of wealth in this country, largely because of changes in the late 70s and early 80s, the kind of Reagan… neoliberal shift. And again, I think these people are are emblematic of that. there There is no public service. There is no um responsibility to your community or your or your country that we can see. These are global elites. These are people who travel around the globe to all these different locations where they can do the same thing no matter where they are. And they’re not held to any local, let alone like global rule of law And so i whether it’s religion or not, I think there’ there’s something there. That social contract is is clearly broken. And in large part because the folks in power, like the Epstein class, didn’t have any connection or desire or feeling of responsibility to their community or country.
53:31.80
Robert Scheer
Yeah, and we shouldn’t be afraid to refer it to religion because religion is an aspiration in in any form. in any from even when it’s a cult, even when it’s this is effort to find larger meaning in life.
53:45.82
Robert Scheer
Otherwise, you’ve got your lifespan. Getting back ending is with the genetics. You’ve got your lifespan. OK, and you’re going to be forgotten or if not forgotten. You’ll probably be as likely attacked, as praised, but so forth. But even the most famous know they soon disappear. I know because I interviewed a lot of these famous people and I bring it up now. Nobody even knows who I’m talking about. uh so forth so the the point is religion is is is important as a source of accountability as imperfect as it is a source of accountability that there’s some larger meaning to the human experience if nothing else at least to keep order and decency and peace and you know not hurt people there’s some there ought to be some you innate human thing that you don’t exploit
54:36.28
Robert Scheer
An underage woman or any woman or anybody in this crass, ugly way. Okay. If these people have become so successful in our culture and they’re so indifferent to the consequence of their actions, then all of the things they said publicly,
54:55.79
Robert Scheer
We’re just a fraud. We’re just propaganda. How in the world can you have given these lofty speeches at commencements and in the Congress and everything else You know, and talk about your effort to, and particularly when you’re doing it a partisan way, those other guys are monsters. You know, Donald Trump’s terrible. He doesn’t care. But I, you know, Lawrence Summers or Bill Clinton or, you know, everyone, we’re virtuous in everything. And, and you know, i think… Again, i applaud you for doing this.
55:29.24
Robert Scheer
I really do. and And we’ll do it next Wednesday again and make this available.
55:34.01
Nolan
Awesome.
55:35.81
Robert Scheer
By the way, you have an Epstein archive. Is that accessible?
55:40.63
Nolan
Yeah. So um like I mentioned, I publish you know weekly articles on Epstein, among other things, but all the Epstein content I put in one article that I continue to add to, which is called Decoding Epstein. And it goes all the way back to the beginning of the story. So for folks who maybe are unfamiliar with the story, It lays out kind of the timeline of who he was, what happened, and then the subsequent reporting on the files. And that’s at nolanhigden.substack.com. It’s part of my Gaslight Gazette. And that article is called Decoding Epstein. And the one we were talking about today that came out is Epstein in the Shadows. You can find both of those at nolanhigden.substack.com.
56:16.18
Robert Scheer
Okay, and can people like myself who have still relatively small website sharepost.com, but others, and there are a lot of good people out there with their websites and places. The thing I don’t like about the Partitioning it off to just somebody’s sub stack. Some of them, like you know Chris Hedges, who does appear on our site all the time, make it available to everybody, but still you’re compartmentalizing it.
56:45.46
Robert Scheer
And I think back to the thing that saved me in life was the 42nd Street Library in New York, and you could go there and everybody could come. So like this basic Epstein file, is that something you would allow? i don’t want to put you on the spot, but is it something you would allow other people to post or link to or how?
57:03.67
Nolan
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
57:03.83
Robert Scheer
How can we put that up on Sheerpost, for example, or Consortium News or any of the other sites that are out there, you know, put it up now but what to link to you or can we how does it work? Can you get do embedded code and
57:20.70
Nolan
Yeah, there’s there’s multiple ways and folks can also reach out. We can figure out what the best method is that works for each website or ah outlet. But yeah, my stuff is available. You know, I ask for folks to become paid subscribers to help support it. But I put, you know, most of my stuff without a paywall because again, like we were talking about, it’s important to get this content out there. or We’re up against some of the wealthiest, most influential media outlets. So the more the merrier.
57:44.31
Robert Scheer
Okay. So again, what do they do right now? and if they want to follow up more on you, give us the signature.
57:50.97
Nolan
go to nolanhigden.substack.com. There you can find the latest article, which is Epstein in the shadows, but the latest article in all previous Epstein articles I’ve written, which are all hyperlinked with evidence, are under one article on the website called Decoding Epstein, which is also at nolanhigden.substack.com.
58:09.40
Robert Scheer
Right. And just because I’ve made the mistake of misspelling your name and searching for it. N-O-L-A-N-H-I-G-D-O-N. Right.
58:18.80
Nolan
That’s me.
58:19.80
Robert Scheer
That’s you. OK.
58:20.60
Nolan
Yeah.
58:21.00
Robert Scheer
Thanks so much for doing this and talk next week. And it’s really. You’re doing God’s work. You know, what can I say? Whoever God is, you’re doing it. No, this is really needed.
58:34.68
Robert Scheer
And we don’t have clarity about this. We end up hating each other. We end up blaming everybody. That’s where, you know, if you want to talk about anti-Semitism, you want talk about racism, that’s where that comes from. Divide and conquer. Blame the Jews. Blame black people. Blame homosexuals. That’s really the essence of fascism.
58:52.98
Robert Scheer
Who can you blame for this? Everybody except the rich and powerful. excel The people who really could know that’s the essence of fascism, you know, find a scapegoat.
58:59.91
Nolan
Yeah.
59:02.14
Robert Scheer
and And so if they really cared about anti-Semitism, they wouldn’t want to feed the scapegoat, the scapegoating and divide and conquer. They’d want the truth to come out.
59:12.37
Robert Scheer
and They want us to be transparent. So we wouldn’t have wild, crazy, ah dangerous conspiracy theories, which is after all what fascism is. was. So on that note, let’s wrap it up.
59:23.10
Robert Scheer
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59:38.66
Robert Scheer
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59:40.60
Nolan
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