By Robert Scheer and Ray McGovern / Original to ScheerPost
Welcome to our latest episode, where we delve into the complex international landscape shaping our world today. Joining us is Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst with over 27 years of experience and a seasoned observer of Russian and Soviet history. Currently in Russia, Ray shares his on-the-ground insights from the heart of Moscow, reflects on decades of Cold War tensions, and explores potential pathways toward peace amid ongoing conflicts. Stay tuned for a thought-provoking discussion on geopolitics, history, and the pursuit of diplomacy in a turbulent era.
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Ray McGovern on Russia, China, and U.S. Foreign Policy: A Conversation Overview
In a recent interview, Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst with 27 years of experience, shares his perspectives on Russia, China, the legacy of World War II, U.S. foreign policy, and the prospects for peace.
Historical Relationships & Geopolitics
- McGovern recounted his visits to Russia, noting how much the country has transformed since the 1970s—a modern civilization now more advanced than many U.S. cities.
- He emphasized that Russia and China, despite their communist histories, are increasingly aligned, pursuing mutual interests rather than ideological enemies.
- McGovern discussed the complex history between Russia and China, countering narratives that they are perpetually at odds, highlighting efforts to build cooperation, particularly as Xi Jinping visits Moscow for the 80th anniversary of the WWII victory.
U.S. and Western Policies
- He criticized NATO’s expansion beyond promises made in 1990, pointing out the betrayal felt by Russia after NATO doubled in size and the misleading interventions in Ukraine via coup and destabilization.
- McGovern recalls covert U.S. operations and broken treaties, notably the Minsk Accords, which were undermined to strengthen Ukraine’s military, leading to ongoing conflict.
- He highlighted the importance of understanding mutual grievances and warned against provoking Russia, emphasizing its capacity for force if pushed.
Current Conflicts & Prospects for Peace
- McGovern sees potential for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, citing recent diplomatic efforts, like Russia’s willingness to negotiate on Ukraine’s status, especially in light of Russian territorial and strategic interests.
- He advocated for ending the “genocide” in Gaza and urged international cooperation to stop ongoing suffering and conflict in Ukraine.
- McGovern notes that both Putin and Trump may have motives to seek peace, but internal political resistance and misunderstandings remain barriers.
Personal Reflections
- Reflecting on his life’s journey, McGovern underscores his initial Cold War mindset, which evolved into understanding and empathy for Russia and its history.
- He shared personal stories about Russia’s sacrifices during WWII, especially in the Siege of Leningrad, and expressed hope for future reconciliation and peace.
Looking Ahead
- McGovern and Oliver Stone’s current visit to Russia aims to foster dialogue and better understanding, emphasizing fact-based approaches to complex international issues.
- He envisions future talks and negotiations, hoping for a more peaceful resolution to conflicts, with leaders like Putin and Trump possibly meeting soon.
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Robert Scheer
Robert Scheer, publisher of ScheerPost and award-winning journalist and author of a dozen books, has a reputation for strong social and political writing over his nearly 60 years as a journalist. His award-winning journalism has appeared in publications nationwide—he was Vietnam correspondent and editor of Ramparts magazine, national correspondent and columnist for the Los Angeles Times—and his in-depth interviews with Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Mikhail Gorbachev and others made headlines. He co-hosted KCRW’s political program Left, Right and Center and now hosts Scheer Intelligence, an independent ScheerPost podcast with people who discuss the day’s most important issues.
Ray McGovern
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. His 27 years as a C.I.A. analyst included leading the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch and conducting the morning briefings of the President’s Daily Brief. In retirement he co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).
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