By Ray McGovern and Robert Scheer / Original to ScheerPost
In this episode of the Ray and Bob Show, Robert Scheer sits down with Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst turned activist, to explore pressing issues from the Israeli blockade of Gaza and the flotilla crisis to the Los Angeles anti-ICE protests and Donald Trump’s mobilization of National Guard troops in response. Their conversation uncovers the realities behind geopolitical conflicts, the courage of activists like Greta Thunberg, and the urgent need for moral clarity in our global actions. Join us for an insightful discussion on justice, resistance, and the path toward a more humane world.
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Hosts: Robert Scheer
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Ray McGovern
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. His 27 years as a C.I.A. analyst included leading the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch and conducting the morning briefings of the President’s Daily Brief. In retirement he co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

Robert Scheer
Robert Scheer, publisher of ScheerPost and award-winning journalist and author of a dozen books, has a reputation for strong social and political writing over his nearly 60 years as a journalist. His award-winning journalism has appeared in publications nationwide—he was Vietnam correspondent and editor of Ramparts magazine, national correspondent and columnist for the Los Angeles Times—and his in-depth interviews with Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Mikhail Gorbachev and others made headlines. He co-hosted KCRW’s political program Left, Right and Center and now hosts Scheer Intelligence, an independent ScheerPost podcast with people who discuss the day’s most important issues.
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