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New Proof Emerges of the Biden Family Emails: a Definitive Account of the CIA/Media/BigTech Fraud

An axis of the CIA, Big Tech and the DNC-allied wing of the corporate media spread an absolute lie in the weeks before the 2020 election. We now have definitive proof.

By Glenn Greenwald / Substack

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer warns that emails and other documents reported on by The New York Post about Joe Biden’s activities in Ukraine and China may be “Russian disinformation,” Oct. 16, 2020.

A severe escalation of the war on a free internet and free discourse has taken place over the last twelve months. Numerous examples of brute and dangerous censorship have emerged: the destruction by Big Tech monopolies of Parler at the behest of Democratic politicians at the time that it was the most-downloaded app in the country; the banning of the sitting president from social media; and the increasingly explicit threats from elected officials in the majority party of legal and regulatory reprisals in the event that tech platforms do not censor more in accordance with their demands.

But the most severe episode of all was the joint campaign — in the weeks before the 2020 election — by the CIA, Big Tech, the liberal wing of the corporate media and the Democratic Party to censor and suppress a series of major reports about then-presidential frontrunner Joe Biden. On October 14 and then October 15, 2020, The New York Post, the nation’s oldest newspaper, published two news reports on Joe Biden’s activities in Ukraine and China that raised serious questions about his integrity and ethics: specifically whether he and his family were trading on his name and influence to generate profit for themselves. The Post said that the documents were obtained from a laptop left by Joe Biden’s son Hunter at a repair shop.

From the start, the evidence of authenticity was overwhelming. The Post published obviously genuine photos of Hunter that were taken from the laptop. Investigations from media outlets found people who had received the emails in real-time and they compared the emails in their possession to the ones in the Post‘s archive, and they matched word-for-word. One of Hunter’s own business associates involved in many of these deals, Tony Bobulinski, confirmed publicly and in interviews that the key emails were genuine and that they referenced Joe Biden’s profit participation in one deal being pursued in China. A forensics analyst issued a report concluding the archive had all the earmarks of authenticity. Not even the Bidens denied that the emails were real: something they of course would have done if they had been forged or altered. In sum, as someone who has reported on numerous large archives similar to this one and was faced with the heavy burden of ensuring the documents were genuine before risking one’s career and reputation by reporting them, it was clear early on that all the key metrics demonstrated that these documents were real.

Despite all that, former intelligence officials such as Obama’s CIA Director John Brennan and his Director of National Intelligence James Clapper led a group of dozens of former spooks in issuing a public statement that disseminated an outright lie: namely, that the laptop was “Russian disinformation.” Note that this phrase contains two separate assertions: 1) the documents came from Russia and 2) they are fake (“disinformation”). The intelligence officials admitted in this letter that — in their words — “we do not know if the emails are genuine or not,” and also admitted that “we do not have evidence of Russian involvement.” Yet it repeatedly insinuated that everyone should nonetheless believe this:

Letter from 60 former intelligence officials about the New York Post reporting, Oct. 19, 2020

But the complete lack of evidence for these claims — that even these career CIA liars acknowledged plagued their assertions — did not stop the corporate media or Big Tech from repeating this lie over and over, and, far worse, using this lie to censor this reporting from the internetOne of the first to spread this lie was the co-queen of Russiagate frauds, Natasha Bertrand, then of Politico and now promoted, because of lies like this, to CNN. “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say,” blared her headline in Politico on October 19, just five days after the Post began its reporting. From there, virtually every media outlet — CNN, NBC News, PBS, Huffington PostThe Intercept, and too many others to count — began completely ignoring the substance of the reporting and instead spread the lie over and over that these documents were the by-product of Russian disinformation.

On October 21 — exactly one week after the Post‘s first report — The Intercept published a false story under the melodramatic headline “We’re Not a Democracy” about these materials from former New York Times reporter James Risen. This propaganda assault masquerading as “news” mindlessly laundered the CIA’s lies about the laptop. This is what appeared in this outlet that still claims to do “adversarial” reporting:

Their latest falsehood once again involves Biden, Ukraine, and a laptop mysteriously discovered in a computer repair shop and passed to the New York Post….This week, a group of former intelligence officials issued a letter saying that the Giuliani laptop story has the classic trademarks of Russian disinformation.

Note that even the intelligence officials, who acknowledged they had no evidence to support this claim, were more honest than The Intercept, which omitted that critical admission. Days later, this very same outlet — which I co-founded seven years earlier to be adversarial, not subservient, to evidence-free assertions from the intelligence community, and which was designed to be an antidote to rather than a clone of The New York Times — told me that I could not publish the article I had written about the Biden archive because it did not meet their lofty and rigorous editorial standards: the same lofty and rigorous editorial standards that led to uncritical endorsement of the CIA’s lies just days earlier. It was that episode, as Matt Taibbi recounted at the time, that prompted my resignation from the outlet I created in protest of this censorship, in order to report instead only on free speech platforms such as this one.

But the media disinformation about the Post‘s documents — obviously designed to protect Joe Biden in the lead-up to the election — were not the worst aspect of what happened here. Far worse was the decision by Twitter to prohibit any discussion of this reporting or posting of links to the story both publicly and privately on the platform. Worse still was the immediate announcement by Facebook through its communications executive Andy Stone — a life-long Democratic Party operative — that it would algorithmically suppress the story pending a “fact check” by “Facebook’s third-party fact-check partners.” Despite multiple requests from me and others, Facebook never published the results of this alleged fact-check and still refuse to say whether it ever conducted one. Why? Because the documents they blocked millions of Americans from learning about were clearly true and authentic.

As indicated, there was ample proof from the start that these documents were genuine and that the only ones engaged in “disinformation” and lies was this axis of the CIA, corporate media, and Big Tech. Yet the most dispositive proof yet emerged on Tuesday — not from a right-wing news outlet that liberals have been trained to ignore and disbelieve but from one of the most mainstream news institutions in the country.

A young reporter for Politico, Ben Schreckinger, has published a new book entitled “The Bidens: Inside the First Family’s Fifty-Year Rise to Power.” To his great credit, he spent months investigating the key documents published by The New York Post and found definitive proof that these emails and related documents are indisputably authentic. His own outlet, Politico, was the first to publish the CIA lie that this was “Russian disinformation,” but on Tuesday — without acknowledging their role in spreading that lie — they summarized Schreckinger’s findings this way: the book “finds evidence that some of the purported Hunter Bidenlaptop material is genuine, including two emails at the center of last October’s controversy.” In his book, the reporter recounts in these passages just some of the extensive work he did to obtain this proof:

A person who corresponded with Hunter in late 2018 confirmed to me the authenticity of an email in the cache. Another person who corresponded with Hunter in January 2019 confirmed the authenticity of a different email exchange with Hunter in the cache. Both of these people spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fears of being embroiled in a global controversy.

A third person who had independent access to Hunter’s emails confirmed to me that the emails published by the New York Post related to Burisma and the CEFC venture matched the substance of emails Hunter had in fact received. (This person was not in a position to compare the published emails word-for-word to the originals.)

The National Property Board of Sweden, part of the Swedish Finance Ministry, has released correspondence between Hunter and House of Sweden employees to me and to a Swedish newspaper, Dagens Nyheter, under the country’s freedom of information law. Emails released by the property board match emails in the cache.

Excerpts from POLITICO reporter Ben Schreckinger’s new book: “The Bidens: Inside the First Family’s Fifty-Year Rise to Power”, Sept. 2020

Given what I regard as the unparalleled gravity of what was done here — widespread media deceit toward millions of American voters in the weeks before a presidential election based on a CIA lie, along with brute censorship of the story by Big Tech — and given that so much of what was done here took place on television, we produced this morning what I regard as the definitive video report of this scandal. I realize this report is longer than the standard video — it is just over an hour — but I really believe that it is vital, particularly with the emergence of this new indisputable proof, to take a comprehensive look at how the intelligence community, in partnership with Big Tech and the corporate media, disseminated massive lies and disinformation, using censorship and other manipulative techniques, to shape the outcome of what was a close election. (We will very shortly institute our new feature of producing transcripts for all videos above ten minutes in length, but I really hope that as many people as can do so will watch this video report).

After observing what they did, I hope and believe you will have a similar reaction to the one I had after spending the day compiling and reporting it all. No matter how much you despise this sector of the corporate media, it is nowhere near close enough to the level of contempt and scorn they deserve.

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald is a journalist, constitutional lawyer, and author of four New York Times best-selling books on politics and law. Prior to co-founding The Intercept, Glenn’s column was featured in the Guardian and Salon. He was the debut winner, along with Amy Goodman, of the Park Center I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism in 2008, and also received the 2010 Online Journalism Award. For his 2013 NSA reporting, he received the George Polk Award for National Security Reporting; the Gannett Foundation Award for investigative journalism and the Gannett Foundation Watchdog Journalism Award; the Esso Premio for Excellence in Investigative Reporting in Brazil (he was the first non-Brazilian to win), and the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s Pioneer Award. The NSA reporting he led for the Guardian was awarded the 2014 Pulitzer Prize for public service.


  1. Does proof even matter anymore? I don’t think so. Does reality even matter anymore? At first glance it doesn’t appear so, since we have been living in a sick twisted illusion for quite some time now and very few seem to even notice. But consequences however delayed are still consequences, and are usually far more damaging when actions have been allowed to go to the extreme. Like now.

    Words fail me at this point….and believe me that is saying something. How lost can lost be. How ignorant can ignorant be. How greedy can greed be. How apathetic can apathy be. Up is down and evil is good, and soon dogs will be copulating with cats and fish will be raining from the skies.

    Is there anything real anymore at all other then the cult of me and the accumulation of stuff? Oh yes there are consequences….sometimes the worst of them are the ones you don’t even notice. Because there are always consequences, to everything.

    1. Thanks to JustAMaverick for her or his comments, which eloquently express how large numbers of people feel. It’s actually possible that a majority of her or his fellow citizens feel much like she or he does. This is what ‘the powers’ that control the nation want. They want people to feel isolated, alienated, alone against immense power.

      “Does proof even matter?”, you ask. Proof does not matter, or at least begins to matter much less, once something is already proven. I share your frustration with Greenwald’s seeming compulsion to prove to us what we already know. He is stuck in ‘proving the obvious’, which is that the people who own and/or control Mass Media use the power of Mass Media to manipulate our entire political process to the point of effective control.

      Don’t we ALL know this? Why keep ‘proving’ it?

      Not only do these Mass Media, which have obviously been brought under centralized control, have the power to shape our ‘culture’ itself, to shape how people think, and most importantly, to shape what people want, (i.e.: to shape who people ‘are’), they also now have the power, now that control of Mass Media has become so centralized, to directly control elections, as they demonstrated so well in 2020.

      The obvious Mass Media ‘conspiracy’ to throw the election was a ‘brass knuckles’ demonstration of what ‘they’ are ‘prepared to do’. (Remember what Malone asked Ness? “What are you prepared to do?”) They, the Elites forces that control ALL Mass Media, will be as ‘totalitarian’ as they need to be.

      They dropped their masks. Their pretenses, (of a free press in a so-called democracy), fell away under duress, when they needed both hands for other deceptions. We ALL saw the demon’s naked snarling face in the full light of day. They did this in broad daylight, right before our very eyes. Right in front of us. Shamelessly.

      We ALL know they did it. It’s not a question of who knows, or doesn’t know. It’s a question of who is willing to admit it. The actual Reality, what actually happened, is there for all to see. History has already recorded it.

      I don’t think the facts are even in much dispute. The Biden Laptop is almost 100% certainly genuine. Our POTUS, and his drug-addled son, had a very lucrative gig going while ole Uncle Joe was Obama’s ‘proconsul’ to Ukraine as VP.

      Our entire social institution of Mass Media is conspiring to ‘cover-up’ this mega-massive ‘story’, in an attempt to get the population to disbelieve what people actually saw with our own eyes.

      Mr Greenwald has shown himself to be a courageous person. He is certainly among our most keenly perceptive journalists. But he is a wealthy man, (in relative terms, he’s well into the “top 1%”). It’s very hard to discern another person’s motives, of course, but it sure seems like he’s not quite ready to fully ‘turn’ on ‘the master’ who has paid him so well and made him a wealthy and famous Mass Media ‘star’.

      He still has ‘status’, after all. He’s still a ‘star’. He still has access to appear on, and express himself through, Mass Media.

      We don’t know what kind of financial settlement he got from his former enterprise, (‘The Intercept’), but clearly he still feels deep resentments over having been duped by a wealthy ‘backer’. Mr. Greenwald is a person who ‘sees’ from a relatively ‘big picture’ perspective, but it is always hardest to ‘see’ how what we ‘know’ applies to us.

      Does Mr. Greenwald not know that what ‘they’ did with him is typical of what they always do? (Or try to, anyway). “Control the opposition”. THAT is what they have learned to do. Don’t try to ‘stamp them out’, just give them a nice safe place to burn, in a nice safe fire pit, where they won’t have the power to prevail against you.

      Imagine how much stronger Mr. Greenwald’s feelings would be had he been ‘blackballed’ from access to Mass Media altogether, and had all his accumulated wealth stripped away? (Is he so naive that he thinks ‘they’ couldn’t ruin him if they wanted to?)

      That’s why we now see Mr. Greenwald appear on Tucker Carlson. That’s why Fox News, and/or MSNBC, BOTH exist at all. That’s why Rachel Maddow and Tucker Carlson both get paid king’s ransoms, (both are mega-multi-millionaires), by the SAME paymaster.

      Under Bush the Younger, Fox News was dominant. MSNBC was a ‘rebel’ underdog of the opposition. It flipped under Obama, back under Trump, and now back again. All the cast and crew at crew at Fox like being the ‘self-righteous underdogs’ much better than being the more powerful dominator.

      It’s like pro-wrestling. You gotta have both ‘the good guys’ and ‘the bad guys’ on ‘The Show’. Our entire political process has become a carefully scripted ‘Reality’ TV show.

      Mr. Greenwald reveals in this article that he is still fuming mad over what was done to him by his wealthier and more powerful ‘partner’ at The Intercept. Is the poor boy less naive now? The wealthy ‘partner’ was always his ‘boss’, as long as he did what the ‘partner’ wanted. Greenwald was always subject to the wealthier man’s “will and control”. Greenwald just never knew until he crossed his ‘partner’ over something of substance.

      At some point the poor mishandled Greenwald needs to ‘pull up his knickers’ and get on with discovering who he is. He’s hardly the first ‘maiden’ to fall for the slick-smooth power of a wealthy ‘player’.

      There he still is. We still see him appear before us. That means someone chooses to allow him to appear. It somehow serves the Mass Media Barons’ overall purposes for him to still be allowed access. (These MM Barons are VERY effective ‘gate-keepers’. No one ‘gets on’ without their assent).

      Mr. Greenwald fails to draw the conclusions to which the very premises he wants to ‘prove’ lead us. Thus the only conclusion he draws is that the people who are whipping Humanity to our near-term doom deserve our “contempt and scorn”?

      He’s clearly confused on some level. He is clearly not aware that his very ‘outrage’ over what happened to him is being used to ‘contain’ him, (much like the classic basic principle of Judo, and other martial arts, you use your opponents moves against her or him by redirecting the force behind the moves). He is too angry to ‘see’ past his outrage.

      Who’s his audience? Who does he think he is addressing? People who don’t already agree with Glenn Greenwald don’t read his work. He does not appear to understand that.

      Thanks again to JustAMaverick for expressing his eloquent comments which capture so well how large numbers of us feel. One writer whose work I occasionally read, James Kunstler, likened it to a physical disorientation, like being sea-sick on dry land. Indeed, the stark insanity to which the vagaries of human nature always eventually lead us (Humanity) are manifest once again.

      The inmates are in full control of the asylum.

  2. This just shows that the CIA knows how to throw Elections, as it has done in countries all over the globe, and now applies its techniques to domestic control. The US is now ruled by corrupt intelligence agencies with their own agendas, making huge profits with the MICIMATT.
    So Joe Biden gets 10% of some huge business deal in China (just imagine if Trump had done this?) Maybe Brennan and Clapper also got a cut?

    Maybe even Fauci? Probably explains why Biden and his cronies are pushing the nonsensical universal vaccination mandate (what’s the Big Guy’s cut?) EVERYONE sees how government agencies and the media and social media block and censor scientific discussions of the Covid disaster, and any dissenting scientific views and arguments, and push hugely expensive and ineffective drugs (like remdesivir), while avoiding treatments used all over the world (the global Covid death rate is less than a third of the US’s). Remember when Biden and the media said these spike protein vaccines would not only protect the individuals who received the jabs (true, it does well for the small population of truly Vulnerable, great benefit: risk ratio for them) but would also block the spread of the virus (which has now been shown repeatedly to be a BIG LIE!)? There is no possibility of S1-vaccine herd immunity, as noted by public health officials in several other highly vaccinated countries:
    The major fall in new cases in the US (and many other countries) within two months of peak (in January 2021) was almost certainly due to natural immunity (this was also seen in NYC in April through June of 2020). Natural immunity (of most Americans) had lowered US Covid cases by over 80% long before the frantic mass vaccine campaign had any effect. This was observed in countries all over the world, even without much vaccination (look at India, Sweden, Mexico, South Africa, etc). The vaccines protect the Vulnerable (10% or so) who account for almost all deaths, but unfortunately herd immunity will only come from Covid infections in the young and healthy, resultant natural immunity, or much better vaccines simulating natural infections.
    We don’t know if spike protein-vaccination subverts or destroys natural immunity (S1-vaccines massively increase the titers of S1-antibodies briefly giving better protection, but antibodies to coronaviruses fade quickly, and cellular immunity is better and longer lasting after infection).
    What we know for certain is that the Bidens and every other corrupt powerful interest in the US are using the pandemic to make huge amounts of money. “Never let a crisis go to waste”.

    1. Question: How many must die to achieve herd immunity? There is no conspiracy here. Sure, there is price gouging, but that’s normal for Big Pharma. I say, if you’re not willing to get vaccinated, then stay away from me and my family.

      1. Fully vaccinated are unaware they are shedders and spreaders and I do stay away from them.

      2. As the Head of Iceland’s Public Health said after their hospitals filled with the vaccinated (they had one of the highest vaccination rates in the world in June) “VACCINE immunity is impossible.” The problem is that S-1 vaccination, while protecting the Vulnerable– mostly the Elderly and the relatively few with serious medical conditions, the Western vaccines do NOT stop spread of the virus by vaccinated, who are often asymptomatic and roam everywhere.
        No one need die if you vaccinate the Vulnerable. Limited herd NATURAL immunity was observed in NYC in June of last year, and in most of the US by March this year (before the vaccination campaign started producing effects) and in India with the delta virus. The Israelis claim natural immunity is 27-fold better than the Pfizer vaccine at preventing Covid symptoms. Natural immunity has a much better effect on cellular immunity (much longer lasting) and mucosal immunity, which the S1-vaccines don’t seem to stimulate.
        The important thing is IMMUNITY NOT vaccinations, time to follow the science! Probably half of Americans had natural immunity BEFORE the vaccines, and unless the S1-vaccines subvert natural immunity, Covid will just be a “booster” to those with natural immunity.
        Better non-spike protein vaccines to mimic natural immunity are probably on their way.

  3. The pathetic fact is that this – and “We’re not the other guys” – us all that Democrats have left to sell. They had already sold out the last of their values and integrity.

    1. As with Trump/ Hillary the electorate was faced with a Hobson’s choice between idiot, ineffective, saying-bad-things Trump and another iteration of the Establishment candidate, doing EXACTLY the same as Bush and Obama in military adventurism (coups, sanctions, wars, the domestic police state), border control, minimum wage, healthcare, homelessness, and doing the bidding of the MICIMATT which runs the country. Biden still pretends someone else is to blame, which is difficult when you control all of Government (excepting SCOTUS), the media and Silicon Valley, and have big donors in Wall Street and elsewhere. The pretense/ charade seems to be dropping, demanding universal Vaccinations (that cannot even lead to herd immunity) is just the first major mandate.

  4. Once upon a time, Greenwald’s great virtue as a journalist was his documentation, like few journalists ever do.
    But since his firing from FirstLook, I dunno, it’s like he’s broken, putting so much energy into irrelevant issues, like this. If Biden did not engage in profiting while out of office, that’s what would be unusual. Profiting while out of office is, one hand, a dog bites man story, OTOH something the mainstream should report on but cannot because their job is primarily to promote establishment propaganda and this kind of stuff is what they consider their job to ignore. The toxicity of and general actual harm to the nation from the mainstream, now that would be an important issue for the Greenwald of old to report on. But nah, we get crap from the man complicit in getting Reality Winner jailed. She might have been busted eventually anyway but FirstLook delivered her to the Feds.
    Too, pathetic as the corporate Dems are, the GOP is an existential threat that has endeavored to turn the US into a racist, anti-democratic, repressive state with an extractive economy. Literally, every time a Dem gets gratuitously dissed, the GOP and the existential threat they promote gets strengthened. BTW: The story of how the GOP came to turn the US into a documented failed state is a matter worthy of Greenwald’s skill set.
    Too: I’m fully aware of the lefty fantasy of the masses uprising when they get pressured enough. That fantasy completely ignores how narcotized the US’ masses are and that pressure is kept just low enough to keep the masses under control. The lack of living wages is received with easy credit and public assistance, for example. The fantasy will never, for all intents ad purposes, come to pass.
    And Greenwald, in regard to that, is part of the problem and in no way part of the solution.

    1. Mr. or Ms. Liss’s comments remind me of the first time I ever watched Pro Wrestling. I must have been about 8 years old, (born in ’48). I had no idea, none whatsoever, that it was fake. I was completely ‘taken in’ by the contrived drama. I thought it was ‘real’.

      Hart Liss clearly is either an extremely intelligent ‘mindless’ dupe, or an operative of some sort or degree. ‘He’, (a generic ‘he’, I don’t know ‘his’ gender), introduces his comments by revealing his own (feigned?) ignorance of even the most basic facts, with his confusion over the time-line itself.

      Biden was VPOTUS, under Obama, and Obama’s ‘viceroy’, (some called it), for Ukraine, while his poor pathetic cocaine addict son was raking in very large sums of money ‘selling influence’ in Ukraine. Ukraine was ole Skinny Joe’s portfolio in the Obama Regime. Biden was even video taped boasting about how he used the threat to personally withhold US Aid funds to illegally corrupt the Ukrainian government, to quash an investigation of his OWN son’s activities. (Anyone can see this tape. History has thoroughly recorded all this. This ‘Genie’ ain’t ever about to go back into any lamp.

      The tooth paste is smeared all over the place. And there’s kindly old Uncle Joe with the empty-squeezed tube in his hands and that sheepish aw-shucks grin on his face. The ‘smoking gun’ is on actual VIDEO, (fer crissakes!), that ANYONE can watch… LOL… ding!,,cuckoo!..ding!.. cuckoo!..

      Hunter Biden actually rode to China on Air Force Two, his toddler daughter in tow, (nice touch), and sitting on Grandpa Joe’s knee. While VPOTUS Biden and his drug-addled son, who was business partners with others sons of influential people, were in China, a deal was negotiated that would become a $1.5 billion investment in the Biden Family’s investment management interests.

      I don’t mean to be insulting, but I think it’s likely that HartLiss is only feigning ignorance, and his purpose here is to ‘propagate’ disinformation. Propagating confusion is often a major objective for various types of operatives.

      But taking him (generic ‘him’) at face value, as just a sincere citizen exercising ‘his’ right to freely express ‘himself’, he writes:

      “The story of how the GOP came to turn the US into a documented failed state is a matter worthy of Greenwald’s skill set”.

      This reminded me of the ‘little old ladies’, (who I later learned were ‘shills’), banging their purses on the ring canvas in rage, as Bobo Brazil went toe to toe with Dick the Bruiser. (This would have been circa 1956. Anyone can look these guys up).

      Brazil, a huge South American man of African descent, whose persona was that of a gentleman, a nice guy, a person of honor, was sucker punched by The Bruiser, (a big strong hunk of Slavic manhood, a Dick Butkis type), when the ref wasn’t looking. I was jumping out of my chair in outrage, yelling at the flickering old black and white screen as the old lady sitting in the front row banged her purse on the canvas.

      I was a little boy. I thought it was real. I got into a big argument with my friend Bobby Stephens up the street, (same guy who had clued me in a few years back on the Santa Claus Ruse), when he told me that the whole thing was fake. I stomped home, (three doors down), angry after he disillusioned me about Pro Wrestling.

      HartLiss doesn’t really ‘fit together’. Can such an intelligent person be so naive and unaware of the actual dynamics of our political reality? Or is he here to advance an ‘agenda’, (i.e.: as an operative)? It’s not a question that really matters.

      Either way, he ‘reveals’ himself.

      There are more than two factions vying for power, Mr. or Ms. Liss. The Truth Faction is much beleaguered these days, but it is still ‘in the ring’. THAT is the ‘faction’ to which Mr. Greenwald belongs.

      Greenwald does not ‘fit’ the propaganda narrative. He is not ‘Left-wing’ or ‘Right-wing’, nor ‘liberal’, nor ‘conservative’. He is an honest and honorable ‘journalist’, (which once was considered a noble and proud profession). He really IS highly committed to doing his imperfect human best to find the objective ‘truth’, and report it.

      Greenwald does not think in the kind of primitive tribal, (good-guys v. bad-guys), manner that shapes HartLiss’s argument. Our predicament is not a matter of ‘the good guys’ against ‘the bad guys’, it’s rather a matter of finding out what is TRUE, so we can act intelligently to avoid Humanity’s almost certain (it sure looks like at this point) doom.

      HartLiss is either a genuinely dis-informed person, or an operative whose objective is to propagate disinformation.

      Mass Media are FAR more powerful than either the Democrats or Republicans ever could HOPE to become.

      Both parties do the bidding of the people who own and control Big Media. Why? Because ALL the politicians in office are completely dependent on access to Mass Media to stay in office and maintain their own personal agenda, their own personal power.

      The ‘Syndicate’ of forces that comprise the nation’s Ruling Elites have captured full control, and effectively ‘centralized’ control, of the nation’s Mass Media. THAT is what Mr. Greenwald is writing about.

      Somewhere a fully functioning ‘Goebbels Committee’ has the effective degree of power to act as a VERY ‘efficient’ gate-keeper. No one has access to Mass Media unless it is ‘granted’ by those who own and control Mass Media.

      The means of communication are the means of power.

    2. Most of the “big money” speeches to foreign powers that Bill Clinton made was while Hillary was Secretary of State (2009-2014). These were personally paid to the Clintons, by Putin and others, not to their charity. There are lots of articles and even a book on their in-office selling of access. This all dried up when Hillary lost in 2016.
      Same with Biden. Hunter would never have received and kept his seat on the Burisma board if Joe Biden had not been VP at the time. He threatened Ukraine with the loss of $billions unless they quit investigating Burisma (and bragged about in at a CFR meeting); exactly the same thing that Trump was impeached for.

      1. And then, they’re profiteers in a thoroughly corrupted state that has also suffered for decades from “the revolving door”. Can’t get too upset with them being corrupt while out of office or indirectly involved when it’s endemic and there’s no accountability for any of it.

  5. You won’t find anyone who loathes the Clintons, Barack Obama, or the Biden’s more than I. However, I refuse to be shocked or appalled when another spoiled rich kid (Hunter Biden) leveraged his fathers political relationships in order to make money. Sorry Glen, but that nonsense has been going on for generations. If you don’t like it lobby to make it illegal.
    If you wanted to make a point about how no American based media organization has never adequately investigated US meddling in Ukraine, have at it. But if your going to question why the main stream media hasn’t really investigated anything in depth since Watergate, we could be here for a while. Once again Glen, you seem to miss the forest with all those trees in the way. The story here is not how Hunter Biden, or even the sleazy Trump progeny, always have one hand in their daddies pockets and the other in the cookie jar. The story is how the “masters of the universe” have purchased the worldwide media in the last fifty years, and how they now use it in a giant PR campaign to get us to love Big Brother (or at least see the folly of opposing Big Brother)
    You tried to break into that club Glen, and you paid handsomely for it. But now you need to decide, are you going to continue to fight a pyrrhic war, hanging out on Fox News, bad mouthing the American Democratic Party like some monkey with a typewriter, hoping for a reach around from the Murdoch’s? All the while the fascista laugh at you for believing that the Clintons and Obama would forget your role in the Snowden affair (have you learned yet that there is price to pay for informing the King he has no clothes?)
    You’re so close to seeing who the enemy is Glen. Take a step back and focus.

  6. I’m not sure why Scheerpost keeps running articles by Glenn Greenwald. Greenwald spends much of his day using his twitter account to pummel progressive politicians. As noted by others here, the topics, like this one, are stale – Greenwald hasn’t brought anything new to the table in a long time. He just keeps reformatting old news, some of it from sources on the left, for a specific right-wing, Libertarian audience. I do miss the insightes Greenwald used to provide. Now he just hacks away at topics that appeal to his “base,” which I am no longer a part of. Why doesn’t he take a look at the companies pushing biometrics or trying to snoop on citizens, or perhaps income inequality; certainly no shortage of topics that need work.

  7. Biden is unfit to rule for many reasons: crookedness and mental frailty being just two. Greenways is correct.

  8. It’s a real story, but it’s important to consider it in the context of 2016’s election being all about Hillary’s e-mails; as Bannon said, “flood the zone with s**t.” Biden was assuredly the same politician he was for many decades as he was in the few weeks before his presidential election; making a big deal out of his influence-peddling right when it’s most favorable to opponents is catering tasty tidbits right to their schedule. Report this stuff earlier, to be an eye on potential power, or later, to keep an eye on it (as Greenwald does here). Don’t make an outraged case about holding off on specifically-intended newsdrops being a violation of intellectual freedom.

  9. If the fact that we were being lied to by our own government prior to the election isn’t election interference I don’t know what is.

  10. Greenwald said he was not in the loop with the Intercept’s mishandling of Reality Winner. I believe him.
    People who say that Corruption is Normal and Expected are a major reason that America is the way that it is.
    The Establishment only enforces the Law in a draconian way on the Poor and Working class. All the “top people” in the Establishment are never held to account.
    Everyone should be equal before the Law.

    1. Greenwald was at the top of the intercept when they essentially gave Winner up. Bottom line is given his highly paid position, he’s at least complicit. Outside the loop is bullshit. It was his publication at the time; responsibility is his.

      1. Sorry to be so slow here:

        Reality Winner is an interesting ‘case’. Many people do not understand its ‘basics’. Mr. or Ms. Liss seems to be one of them. Not sure about Michael888.

        Mr Liss, (we’ll assume the ‘generic’ masculine, although I feel a woman’s touch), seems most intent on heaping as much ‘character assassination’ on poor ole Greenwald as he can.

        Reality Winner was duped into ‘blowing the whistle’ on a false story. The story was always false. It was conceived and then executed, as a deliberate partisan political ruse, by the Democratic Party Machine, which large numbers of American citizens, (tens upon tens of millions seething in blood deep anger), believe executed a ‘coup’, throwing the election to capture power.

        The DPM has declared anyone who believes that, anyone who believes what tens upon tens of millions of us believe, are ‘outlaws’, to be hunted down and persecuted. People are being fired from their jobs. People are losing their livelihoods. Simply for refusing to believe what a central government is commanding us to believe.

        This is what totalitarian powers always do with ‘democracy’. By hook or crook, (even by violence), they gain power. They claim a majority mandate. They ‘vote out’ the opposition. As we are seeing now, they even ‘outlaw’ the opposition.

        The POTUS, the half-senile sock-puppet figurehead of this terrible powerful political machine that has captured our nation under its power, the Democratic Party Machine, (DPM), has ‘officially declared’, in public oration, that tens upon teeming tens of millions of American citizens are potential ‘domestic terrorists’ whom we must hunt down and stamp out.

        This is REAL. The POTUS really said that.

        Tens upon tens of millions of us, tens of millions of American citizens, just heard ourselves being ‘outlawed’ by a comical sock-puppet, the POTUS himself, with sinister forces, immensely powerful sinister forces, thinking they are actually fooling anyone with this clown-puppet show.

        The people now prosecuting Reality Winner are the SAME people who duped her into ‘blowing the whistle’.

        They WANTED her to do exactly what she did. They were very actively and avidly PROMOTING the ‘Russia did it’ story. They were intentionally ‘putting out’ the story in a very creative way through Ms. Winner, (and through many other ways as well).

        Her being duped into doing what she did was a use of a variation of an old intelligence ruse that intelligence people know as the Dead Man Floating ruse.

        During WW2, (I think it was, could have been WW1), the Allies wanted the Germans to believe that a piece of captured information was ‘genuine’, rather than deliberately planted to fool them. So they put the information folded up all-ragged in the British officer’s uniform pants pocket of the trousers they had put on a dead body and dumped offshore where the enemy patrolled and controlled the shoreline, and was very likely to find the decomposed body. The body’s pockets also contained ID as a British officer and pilot, (or whatever).

        If US Intelligence deliberately and directly claimed that the Russians did what was claimed in the story Winner stole and leaked, (interfered in the election), people would be much less suspicious of a false claim if that false claim was ostensibly ‘stolen’ from them and made public, and then they prosecuted the person who had done it. The person did exactly what they wanted her to do. Prosecuting her now is a means of covering their tracks.

        Once again Mr. or Ms. Hart Liss seems very ‘confused’ as she or he presents her or his own advocacy, and her or his confusion seems to always very conveniently serve the purpose of convincing people to believe what the status quo power structure, the Ruling Elites, want us to believe.

        The release of Winner’s name was very likely pre-ordained. The same powerful wealthy ‘backer’ who had duped Greenwald into fronting ‘The Intercept’, (then ‘double-crossed’ him, when it was time to call the bet, throw in all your chips, and show cards), likely had some kind of ‘understanding’ with a shadowy colleague he occasionally met in a parking garage.

        The ‘powers that be’ did not need Greenwald to ‘get’ Reality Winner. Does Mr. or Ms. Liss also believe the moon is made from old green cheese?

        Methinks Hart Liss is the kind of ‘play on words’ name that a man would be less likely to choose. The protracted ‘sss’ sound, as in Mr. or Ms. Liss’s name, is not one that jumps quite as readily to the masculine mind.

        I do feel the feminine touch here. In my own experience, there’s a very primitive reason that many women enjoy having long hard sharp fingernails. Could be wrong… Right? LOL…

  11. I’ve got no doubt that heinous corruption exists in both political parties. But consider how fortunate we are to only have to make one of two choices instead of five or six potential alternatives. Our political system does us a huge favor also by broadcasting emotionally stirring material. We’re lucky that all we need do is feel something and act on it. Otherwise, oh man, would we have it bad – having to actually engage in critical thinking if we know how or, even worse, be faced with the offensive challenge of learning to think critically and debate. I can’t imagine how awful it would be if I had to do anything more than simply shout insults at and use labels for those whose ideas I can’t answer. I’m struck by the power of the hostility between left and right. I’ve got to wonder if we’re at post-Civil War levels of vitriol and hatred for fellow countrymen. We’ve got pretty close to exactly what we’ve earned and what we deserve.

    1. Our good citizen Martin cuts directly to the heart of the issue when it comes to ‘democracy’.

      Folks is jes’ folks.

      Human beings are capable of Reason, but most people are primarily motivated by Desire. Desire and Reason are constant adversaries.

      Democracy does not ‘come natural’ to many people. Many citizens have no idea how to actually ‘do’ democracy. Democracy is NOT about everybody getting what they want. Democracy is about individual sacrifice for collective benefit. Democracy is agreeing to consider that what the other guy wants is just as important as what I want.

      Many people, likely (or at least maybe) even most people, just aren’t interested in politics and/or current events. People mostly just want to pursue our biological imperatives. We want to learn to hunt and gather as we grow, we want to ‘have sex’ (lots and lots of it) when we mature, then we want to find a mate, then we want to provide for our children and dream of their future.

      Both the very smartest people and the very dumbest people prefer to do these same things. Only the smarter people have an ‘intellect’ that constantly demands to be fed.

      Socialists like to pretend that Human Nature is much more malleable than it is. Management and Labor are of equal value. They are NOT the same. Each requires skills and capacities unique to itself.

      The idea that line workers should, or could, run companies, for example, (the socialist-favored idea of worker run cooperatives), is just delusional.

      Workers don’t WANT to run the company. They just want to have work, get a fair deal, be able to keep their bills paid and their families warm and safe. You think they want to sweat and toil all day and ALSO have all the headaches that management has?

      Believe me, people that work all day are tired. They just want a cold one, (or whatever other relaxations). A few minutes to relax before getting home to the people who give it all meaning. You think they want to pace the 3 AM floor running the company after they worked all day at hard labor?

      Only certain people have the urge to want to run things. Leadership skills are not as widely distributed as leadership desires, and leadership pretenses.

      Average people, Joe and Jane and the kids, don’t want to run things. They just want people they trust to be in charge. They want people they trust running things.

      In designing those crucial bonds of trust, lies the challenge in building True Democracy.

      The Chinese think their politico-economic system is much more ‘democratic’ than ours. It is a ‘parental’ system, whereby authority is given to people who are assumed to have spiritual bonds to the people whose affairs they administer.

      Not saying I agree with them. Chinese democracy is rooted in Chinese culture.

      Culture is the key to democracy. A system of rules cannot create or ‘be’ democracy. People must actually and genuinely RESPECT each others’ interests and needs for democracy to exist at all.

      One look at a billionaire on her or his yacht, and 1000 families of gaunt skinny children with distended bellies, is enough to tell one that democracy does not exist in our nation.

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