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Michael Brenner on the High Risks of Cultivated Ignorance

Micheal Brenner challenges the mainstream narrative of Putin and appends four of his public speeches.

By Michael Brenner

Our political elites evidently have absorbed fully and deeply the proposition that “ignorance is bliss.”  The exhibits are too numerous to inventory. A singular current example with profound implication is the notion that Vladimir Putin is the quintessential brutal dictator – power mad, ruthless and with only a tenuous grip on reality. Indeed, it has become commonplace to equate him with Hitler – as done by such leading lights of America’s stellar elites such as Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi – as well as ‘opinion makers’ galore. Even 203 noble Nobels lend their collective brains and celebrity credentials to an ‘open letter’ whose first sentence pairs Russia’s attack on Ukraine with Hitler’s assault on Poland in September 1939. These are only the most striking examples of the shortfalls in what passes for general education after 16 years of obligatory residence in American classrooms.

 These words are not meant as a defense brief for Putin or Russia’s actions in Ukraine. That is a separate matter. The intent is simply to point out the high risks of making security policy on portentous matters in cultivated ignorance. Sadly, the argument that those who make those decisions should know literally what they are talking about is widely deemed as radical – itself as great a menace as whatever dragons are hovering around us. In Putin’s case, there is absolutely no excuse. He has presented his views on how Russia visualizes its place in the world, relations with the West and the contours/rules of a desired international system more comprehensively, historically informed, and coherently than has any national leader I know of. Shouted declarations “we’re number ONE and always will be” are not his style. The point is that you may be troubled by his conclusions, question his sincerity, suspect hidden strains of thought and character, or denounce certain actions. However, doing so has no credibility unless one has engaged the man based on what is available – not on cartoon sketches. So, too, should we recognize that this is not a one-man show. that it behooves us to consider the more complex reality that is Russian governance and politics.

For that reason, I have appended 4 of Putin’s lengthy public speeches for your attention. Also, a long interview/memoir by Jack Matlock – the United States’ ambassador to Moscow during the crucial years that saw and end to Cold War I. If you are inclined to scan them, your knowledge of the subject already would exceed that of Pelosi, HRC, Biden, Blinken and even Michael McFaul whose atrociously accented, fractured spoken Russian suggests that were he to as much as fix his eye on the Putin manuscripts, he’d struggle through a few paragraphs before intoning that that there is an unmistakable echo of Mein Kempf. And if you are acquainted with any of the 203 noble Nobels you might consider passing on to them the speeches so as to remind them that dedication to intellectual integrity is meant to be universally applied.

Vladimir Putin is a formidable personality who leads a great country that has been experiencing an historic transformation. We will have to deal with him and with it, one way or another. Simply shouting to the skies: “genocidal killer” is dangerous, counter-productive – and, frankly, childish.

Putin’s Speeches in translation:

Putin’s Opening Speech At Davos World Economic Forum 2009

Address by President of the Russian Federation 2014

Russian President Putin’s Speech At The World Economic Forum 2021

The Ambassadorial Series: Deans of U.S.-Russia Diplomacy Transcript of the Ambassador Jack F. Matlock Interview

Michael Brenner

Michael Brenner is a Professor of International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh; a Senior Fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations, SAIS-Johns Hopkins (Washington, D.C.), contributor to research and consulting projects on Euro-American security and economic issues. Brenner publishes and teaches in the fields of American foreign policy, Euro-American relations, and the European Union. He is the recipient of grants from the Ford Foundation, Carnegie Endowment For International Peace, United States Information Service, European Union Commission, NATO, and the Exxon Education Foundation.


  1. Never in human history has a people had so much access to information, yet been so ignorant. It is astounding, horrifying and incredibly depressing all at the same time. My dad had a term for shallow people, people who were all show but had no depth to them, he said they were an inch deep and a mile wide. That’s America, an inch deep and a mile wide.

    1. Fear not, I can help your distress with a little friendly advice! Your state of being, “astounded, horrified and incredibly depressed” is just an illusion, borne of lack of understanding of the human condition, compelling you to emote. That is, it’s nonsense you should ignore.

      1. The idea, “Never in human history has a people had so much access to information” is piffle, as any ordinary city library of the last 100 years holds far more information than anyone could absorb in a lifetime. The problem with information access is that without guidance it amounts to nothing substantial, just as an encyclopedia by itself does not teach learning
      2. ” yet been so ignorant” is a non sequitur, as knowledge or information held in memory, is not analogous to intelligence. Intelligence is an innate quality of ability of any human compared to others, and does not change in the population over time. We are no more or less intelligent than people 500 years ago.
      3. Your Dad’s observation is ironic, as it is shallow. Honoring it is disturbing outside casual conversation.
      4. Your summary, “That’s America, an inch deep and a mile wide” is a juvenile cut that has no meaning in adult discussion. Perhaps your mess of a post is your idea of being a Maverick?

      1. I don’t like to make personal comments. Ad hominem attacks. I think it is a poor thing to do and never furthers the discourse but, rather, cheapens and sidetracks it.
        So I will not.
        But I will point out that your comment is purely ad hominem and without any justification by way of ‘evidence’, if such things could be evidenced.
        Without meaning to ‘attack’ it does seem clear to me that you’ve got what we call in Australia ‘tickets on yourself’. Unjustifiably.

      2. I believe “the guidance” you refer to is simply the desire to want to know. How much more guidance is required to learn, C. Kent?

        Yes upon reflection not one of my better posts. I do believe the human condition varies from culture to culture and I believe our culture to be insane. What else would motivate a personal attack for such a statement. You may not like what I wrote and are quite welcome to refute it, but the very fact you believed it was okay to publicly and personally attack another person for making it….well that my friend proves my point.

        C.Kent, I believe you are very well adjusted to a very sick society, and that is no measure of mental health.

    2. and that goes for Australia, too.

      Harking back to (ever present) covid I just said to a guy that the govt has ripped us off to the tune of 600 Billion dollars in two years. He comes back with: ‘And would that have happened if there’d been no covid?’ to which I replied ‘No’.
      ‘There you are then.’ he says. Smug smile.
      He thinks one billion dollars PER DAY was a valid price to pay for covid.
      But worse: he thinks something was actually achieved with the covid measures.
      And he would not be exceptional. I don’t really know and I’m hesitant to say and hope it is not true but I fear he may represent the majority.
      Inch deep is exactly right.

    3. @JustAMaverick
      They’ve had around 100 years to hone U.S. propaganda, and it’s easily the most sophisticated in the world. Americans are therefore the most propagandized and brainwashed people. Even though C. Kent’s response to you was utter BS, he’s right that information by itself doesn’t make one informed (he said it incorrectly, but that’s what he meant).

      1. Agree, the talking heads govern from the corpse of the fourth estate by opinion poll and matadorial word art, destroying democracy.
        They are waiting the cohort of well educated people to simply die.
        Alas a surprise of chaos awaits and w/ climate change they will be at each other’s throats. Just Desserts.

      2. Ahh,
        Andrei Martyanov: Victory Day, May 9th, How To Make A Decision. Real War Planning,

        rightly talks about the stupidity (propagandized minds) of Westerners, Amerikkkans, believing war and the military are what they gobble up in Hollywood:


  2. Nothing short of all-out war led by the US & UK will stop the inevitable disintegration of the so-called ‘United’ Kingdom; leading to the unceremonious end of the British Monarchy; the fall of the Anglosphere ‘Five Eyes’ intelligence-sharing apparatus which will result in a blunted NATO and with it; an independent Scotland’s red-line removal of the UK/US nuclear weapons from our most populated City of Glasgow. Regardless of pretext, Tory militarisation of Brexit Britain is inevitable.

    ‘Devo-Max: Ireland 1922 to Scotland 2022 – Live. Die. Repeat.’ (2022) https://wp.me/p94Aj4-30z

    Johnny McNeill
    #GaslightingGilligan (© 2017) 
    Twitter: @GasGilligan (*free download*)

  3. Thanks for gathering these together in one easy to find collection. Interesting and informative as they are, I hope you maintain realistic expectations for the level of engagement you can expect from either individual citizens or mainstream media.

  4. Thank you. Agree with him or not, all too often Putin seems to be the only adult in the room, especially compared to any politician in the US or UK. The cultivation of ignorance in the US is the direct result of decades of propaganda spewed in our classrooms and from our tvs. It is not a deliberate choice of the population as much as it is the deliberate choice of our government and security agencies directed at the population.

  5. I very much appreciate your appending these four Putin speeches and the Jack Matlock interview to your informed comments. I have come to the conclusion that read-write literacy in the United States is considered necessary primarily for purposes of indoctrination and the processing of propaganda and advertising; but there’s always a chance that someone might take the time to read and reflect on information of value, if they have easy access to it. Thanks for providing that opportunity.

  6. Michael Brenner is absolutely correct saying that Pres Putin is not only not irrational, but that he has actually sets the standard for coherent & rational statements of intentions & positions by a national leader. The link to the March 18, 2014 speech on the integration of Crimea into Russia, “Address by President of the Russian Federation 2014” is a particularly beautiful read. It aligns factually with the best serious works of historians of nonfiction on that subject.

    As Putin’s coherence and reason pass serious examination with flying colors for those without a jaundiced eye, one must then logically ask if the actions of Russia in Ukraine do not also past seriously put reasonableness tests.

    While it a pity that in a matter as serious as a war so many people accept the opinion of paid employees of corporate news, anyone can easily look up the parameters for what is understood as, “Just War.” Those parameters are: 1. Just Cause, 2. Comparative Justice, 3. Competent Authority, 4. Right Intention, 5. Probability of Success, 6. Last Resort, 7. Proportionality.

    Interested readers who look up Just War & review these seven hurdles will find as I have; Russia’s project in Ukraine is in fact; Just War for a just cause, using the most limited means, in pursuit of an ethical solution to valid problems that cannot be solved otherwise. I recommend readers do as little as Google “Just War” and decide for themselves.

      1. Thank the teachers in the black robes who instructed me 50 years ago that following ideas to their logical conclusions is always clarifying, and that most of that work has been done already, by great thinkers of the past, and exists to be reviewed today.

        Too many people seem to like to judge a thing, idea, or war, within the context of their affinity to it. They then find a mob of associates who think likewise, and stop further investigation in a sort of collective love-in of agreeable myopia. The professional manipulators Brenner references take advantage of this tendency in the human animal, by offering handy analogies for vilification of proposed enemies. It works both ways, an angel can do no harm, a devil no good, end of discussion. Alas there are so few angels or devils amongst leadership in the real world that such claims should always arouse immediate suspicion.

        In any case military history and theological considerations from which Just War is derived are as well researched as any subject. You learn there is an ancient idea of Just War, you look it up, you apply it’s rules. The difficulty is going against the public grain to accept an uncomfortable truth should you find one. I’ve never had a problem with this, in fact it’s never ceased to cause me problems. 😉

  7. There seems to be a Putin pity party going on these days among some of Americas self proclaimed “alternate intelligencia.”
    Like him or not as a misunderstood genius, or megalomaniac, the bottom line is this. For what ever reason, the supposedly level headed Putin has permitted his utterly corrupt kleptocratic libertarian state (one run by the five or six wealthiest Russians. Sound familiar America?) one that is not only lagging behind its other BRICS partners with an economy the size of Italys and an has infrastructure that is falling apart or non-existent, seems to have let himself be goaded into an invasion that his hapless old rusty military was il equipped for.
    Bottom line, Putin either got snookered by American intelligence into this Ukraine debacle, or is a willing participant in the USAs effort to bring back the Cold War in their global attempt to distract most of us from the fact that summer lasts two months longer than it used to and nobody in America is going to do a goddamn thing about it.
    Either way, Putin doesn’t look good with egg on his face. Nobody does.

    1. How does Putin have “egg on his face?” The only people who got “snookered” ( and continue to be so) are US politicians and hapless propaganda victims all over this Great Land.

  8. Cultivated Ignorance suits the Promotors of Sociopolitical Narratives of all Stripes: A Picture, in way less than a Thousand words.
    Just who are the irrational?
    Fact: Some Jews were forced, because of personal circumstances, such as their own immediate life or death options did act as ‘Kapo’s’ for the Nazi regime.
    Fact: ‘Jewish’ Ukrainian ‘President’ Zelensky is just as much a kapo (prisoner functionary in a Nazi concentration camp) for the contemporary conscienceless U.S. regime, in its long-time ongoing relentless proxy war of persecution against everything Russian.
    For a current day translation of the historical usage of the word Kapo, fill in the blanks in the following Wikipedia definition: A kapo or prisoner functionary .. a prisoner in a N… camp who .. assigned by the A………… guards to supervise forced (cannon fodder, into battle) or carry out administrative tasks.
    Also called “prisoner self-administration”, the prisoner functionary system (minimizes) costs by allowing camps to function with fewer A………… personnel (by outsourcing all replenishable material, materiel costs to a figurehead fairy godfather).
    Israel is NOT the spokesperson/mouthpiece for world Jewry, unless of course it preposterously sees itself in the same light as the Vatican institutionally sees itself for Catholic religious adherents of the world.
    If this be so, then Israel is most definitely a bigoted theocracy, albeit claiming this not to be the case. Religions’ do not operate on democratic principles; however, the extant so-called Jewish state and a Catholic state are run on very similar hierarchical principles.
    Long story short, doesn’t apply here, for it is as long as that of the rapidly unfolding, unfinished story of history!
    A historical truth in this situation is that there is no factual, genetic proof, actually linking Hitler to his biological Jewish grandfather’. The case predates the genetic application of forensic DNA. One thing though, for sure, is he was reared in a violent household, constantly brutalized by a vicious stepfather.
    It is almost scientifically certain, however, that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was of Jewish ancestry. It is irrefutably 100% certain that literally thousands of the men who served as foot soldiers (cannon fodder) in the Nazi military uniform were half-Jewish – of mixed Christian/Jewish religious extraction – ‘legally’ classified by the Nazi’s as “mischlinge” – Aryan/non-Aryans (Nuremberg Laws of 1935).
    How, therefore, does the Israeli foreign minister, Yair Lapid, with his supposed elevated intellect, logically arrive from demanding an apology of Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, for making “an unforgivable and outrageous statement… as well as a terrible historical error” to… “Jews did not murder themselves in the holocaust”?
    In this writer’s opinion, that was definitely NOT Sergei Lavrov’s intention. Obviously, it was a figment of this Israeli foreign minister’s paranoid fantasies, like all others before him, always applied in order to assist in the promotion of Israel’s self-righteous foreign policy goals.
    Again, obviously, only by conflating sound intellectual argument with raw, reactive, reverse reflective emotional feelings, can this be achieved.
    It is Israel’s premise; seeing itself as the one country always acting honestly and openly in its interactions with other nations, globally, in the promotion of its foreign policy agendas, unlike all other states.
    Have the ‘chosen’ people learned from the ‘exceptional’ people?
    Lapid’s reaction to Lavrov’s initial fact-based statement, is fixated on fact-based Jewish history. This is where the switch always comes into play – the utterly misleading paradox, which is deliberately applied by the self-righteous Israeli governments marketing of its policies. Yet, to any critical thinking observer, Lapid’s reaction is taken at face value for what it is, an utterly irrational reaction.
    However, Lapid and his ilk, consummate actors as they are, always cognitively know what Israel’s ultimate interests and intentions are (just as do all politicians) when promoting their side of the Judeophile/ Judeophobe argument.
    In the American case today, any and all opposition to the ongoing narrative must be ‘cancelled’ (censored).
    This is today’s narrative in the national American cult.

  9. Amazing, the great patriotic war against the filthy Nazi’s . . . 77 Years. Long Live Russia!

    “In his congratulations, the Russian president specifically noted that on this day we pay tribute to gratitude and respect for the soldiers and frontline workers who crushed Nazism at the cost of countless victims and hardships,” a statement from the Kremlin press service said.

    At the same time, Putin stressed the importance of preserving the memory of the events of those hard years and countering attempts to falsify our common history.

    “Today our soldiers, like their ancestors, are fighting shoulder to shoulder for the liberation of their homeland from Nazi filth, confident that, as in 1945, victory will be ours,” Putin said, on the eve of the commemoration of the date.

    The president sent several messages to allied nations on the occasion of the 77th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War (1941-1945), as well as to veterans of the war living in Ukraine, a country with which Russia has great differences because of the current nationalist and pro-Nazi administration.

    In his congratulatory telegrams to the heads of the self-proclaimed Donestk and Lustank republics, the Russian leader noted that “today, our servicemen, like their ancestors, are fighting shoulder to shoulder for the liberation of their homeland from Nazi filth, expressing confidence that, as in 1945, victory will be ours.”


    Ukraine is none of America’s business! But it very much is the business of the American empire — a business that still might yet be stopped, before it’s too late (for everyone).

    Ukraine borders Russia, not America.

    Mexico borders America, not Russia.

    Russia never coup-grabbed Mexico, but in February 2014, America coup-grabbed Ukraine. That was an act of war against Russia (in order to steal Russia’s naval base in Crimea and in order for America to become able to place U.S. nukes in Ukraine only a five-minute missile-striking-distance away from obliterating Moscow), and Russia responded to America’s blatant aggression by allowing the residents in the region of Ukraine that the Soviet dictator had transferred from Russia to Ukraine in 1954, Crimea, to vote on whether they should remain in Ukraine or be returned to Russia. Over 90% of them voted to return to being Russians.

    For this democratic response by Russia to America’s Ukrainian coup (and to America’s attempt to grab Russia’s naval base in Crimea to transform it into a U.S. naval base there), America and its vassal nations repeatedly sanctioned Russia — another step in America’s World War III aggression against Russia — and refused even to consider Russia’s demand that Ukraine must never be a member of America’s anti-Russian military alliance NATO or otherwise become a staging-area for a possible U.S.-and-allied invasion of Russia (a modern-day version of Adolf Hitler’s “Operation Barbarossa” blitz-attack to grab Russia).


    Incidentally, the title of Friedman’s commentary was “The War Is Getting More Dangerous for America, and Biden Knows It.” It’s an interesting title, because it concerns ONLY what Friedman and America’s other aristocrats care about, which is themselves, and not at all about what any of the ‘dispensable’ countries (including Ukraine) care about. Since the publics everywhere care about preventing a WW III (nuclear war between Russia and America — including all NATO countries), that is a stunningly narrow sphere of concern regarding a potentially world-ending catastrophe. Clearly, America’s aristocrats are rank psychopaths. They control the U.S. Government, and this is the result of that. It’s a Government in which the worst come first, the public last. Russia is up against that: it is up against America, and Ukraine is only the first battleground of WW III, now only at the proxy stage for the U.S. regime but not for the Russian Government, which, in this matter, truly does represent the most-vital national-security interests of its citizens. Everyone except U.S.-and-allied aristocracies (many of whom are buyers of billionaires’ bunkers) have an overriding interest in America’s defeat in this war, before it ever reaches the nuclear stage, of direct Russia vs. U.S. warfare.





  10. The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
    —Edward Bernays

    Propaganda’s all about population control. It’s not without reason that it’s been perfected in ruling class states making claim to democracy. How much more important, after all, to govern people invisibly when socially engineering them to believe they are free.

    It’s not enough to deconstruct content and style of propaganda, as necessary as that is. Propaganda is also serving certain purposes of always developing strategy on the part of ruling classes it serves.

    Every war is a rich man’s war, particularly banksters. “Buy when there’s blood in the streets,” as Rothschild summed it up. Yesterday’s yellow journalism may have been superseded by subtler arts of thought control today. But a constant, ever since class society extended its predatory base in empire, has been the magician’s art, whether from ancient religionists or modern bureaucrats, misdirecting the masses of us from the whys and wherefores of the social conditions we live under, above all how ‘our’ class-based social system is the real enemy, robbing us of resources for living our own lives, including having our very lives ‘sacrificed’ upon the altars of Mars and Mammon.

    The propaganda system of the Free World is cranking out tabloid trash about Putin, the new Hitler, as usual resorting to hysterias and fogs of war to have us pay attention to manufactured controversy, and remove our attention from geopolitical agenda beyond the chessboard on which we are played. But Putin, like Biden, like Zelensky, like so many other heads of state managing the transnational interests of high finance and big bizzness right now are working together with such organized crime centers as the WEF to “build back better” from the blood in the streets this time. And so you have Putin in his WEF address above essentially arguing on behalf of global governance over nation-states, via such cost-effective, technocratic rationality as provided by central banks (as with CBDCs) and international biosecurity (as with SEGs) to combat pandemics and climate change. This cause is advanced all the more by war’s rational irrationalities, its destruction of old and creation of new world order.

    People are killing and dying not only fighting a proxy war for the US and NATO, but one for the global institutions of transnational capital rule. War in Ukraine is an extension of a world war already in progress since the covid coup covered for the greatest financial coup and theft of the commons ever. The unprecedented lockdown of the planet is emblematic of our status now as prisoners of war against humanity, the masses of us traditionally exploitable and expendable to the “masters of mankind” (Adam Smith).

    War In Ukraine extends the shock-doctrine disaster warfare already well underway since 2020. In particular, sanctions against Russia target us in the old abnormal’s imperial centers, as the global reserve currency of the dollar is destroyed by inevitable further consolidation of a multipolar world and BRICS bloc trading in ruble and yuan. Get ready for greater inflation, supply chain crises, and food and energy shortages, if not cyberattacks. With increasing devastation and death from the biowarfare of ‘vaccination’ for the false flag flu, and climate lockdowns waiting in the wings, a perfect storm of world-changing crises for marching us into the new abnormal of techno-totalitarianism is meant to keep pounding us into submission.

    Food Supply Shutdown:

  11. Russia has pleaded with the West to stop this irrational nonsense for over two decade.Russia has been treated with contempt and ridicule and have come to the conclusion there is only one language that Washington understands.
    So l guess their thinking is, we might as well fight them in Kiev as In Moscow.The great tradegy is for the Ukrainian & Russian people.This War has been planned, promoted and sponsored by the West . “They even knew the approximate starting date?”Now brother fights brother in the Motherland of the Russia’s . If Putin was in the Oval office this would have never happened..He is too rational.The leadership in Washington mentally lives in some back lot in Hollywood making some Roman epic .Completely out of touch with reality.Sad.

  12. I really appreciate the chance to read Mr Brenner’s work & hope more of it will appear here.

  13. Brenner aptly points out accidental or deliberate ignorance of reality and self ignorance of the western elites emphasizing political aptitude and scholarship of Putin as well as Lavrov as both expressed utmost concern of threatening Ukrainian state Nazi ideology spreading in Ukraine. Lavrov in Italian interview implied that anyone could be a Nazi if one wants it even those with Jewish blood.

    Is that true? Let’s examine if Nazi ideology allowed for that.

    This is the central but ignored or misunderstood element of Nazi ideology which was developed by long before WWI existing elitists Thule Society inspired by old German/Nordic cult masters and their myths of supreme race, Arian Race that once ruled the world but declined because of genetic mixing with lesser races that in contrast to Arians actually evolved from apes.

    In 1924 Hitler while in prison for organizing Munich Putsch formulated official Nazi ideology based of amalgamation of pseudo social science with large dose of Aryan mysticism he considered scientifically founded by archeological evidences as claimed by Thule society and German mystics.

    As Bismarck, Hitler also saw differences among Germans themselves as manifestation of contaminated racial makeup (genetics) as well as social, cultural influences that obfuscated their great common Nordic Aryan ancestry.

    Hitler of course realized that neither he nor his close collaborators like Goebbels or Himmler who became chief of SS and its racial purity division, measure up to Aryan physical ideals according to Nazi race theory but that was not necessary as in principle anyone who exhibit proper collective consciousness of supreme Aryan race wherever in the world ancient Aryan race supposedly once ruled can be a Nazi if within him such Aryan race consciousness arises and dominates.

    In such cases hard Germanic genetics did not play decisive role, and even heavily contaminated Aryan races were invited to join Nazi elites as long as they were physically string and demonstrated sufficient emerging Aryan consciousness out of genetically “contaminated” body.

    That explains why some mixed ethnic Jews were allowed to elitist SS , guardians of German racial purity as long as they renounced their “Jewishness” and show consciousness of Aryan race by words and deeds which practically meant devotion to Hitler, old Aryan symbolism like swastika and ruthlessness to enemy.

    Over one million strong Waffen-SS comprised of international Nazi volunteers some from Nordic states with genetic affinity to supposed Aryan race while in the same time many thousands of Nazis were from Slavic or other genetic pools still considered Nazis as long as they were thought to be genetically impure mixed Aryan race but still retaining their dominant Aryan consciousness.

    One of many of such NAZI divisions were “Galicia and Nightingale” Ukrainian Waffen-SS and Nazi ideology followers of OUN and UPA, now worshiped as National heroes.

    They all believed that their genetic makeup contained components of supreme Aryan Race whose consciousness and spirits guided them in their lives of superior race soldiers. Weak races had to be exterminated which building Ukrainian Nazi state.

    Today Ukrainian Nazis, of Azov and others believe the same nonsense of superiority of their emerging Aryan race consciousness expressed by their mythical symbology as their Ukrainian nationalists ancestors did while massacring hundreds of thousands of inferior Poles, Jews, Russians, Hungarians as well as 60,000 of racially inferior fellow Ukrainians 1942-1948.

    In this context of what Nazi ideology actually is there is no need to ask whether or no there are Nazis in Ukraine or in Israel or in any place in the world as they are if they adopted Nazi ideology regardless of race or creed.

    Lavrov knows his history and what Nazi ideology actually is.

  14. ” a formidable personality” ????

    Gessen, by no means an ignorant centrist, would beg to differ.

    “The Man Without a Face is the chilling account of how a low-level, small-minded KGB operative ascended to the Russian presidency and, in an astonishingly short time, destroyed years of progress and made his country once more a threat to his own people and to the world.

    Handpicked as a successor by the “family” surrounding an ailing and increasingly unpopular Boris Yeltsin, Vladimir Putin seemed like a perfect choice for the oligarchy to shape according to its own designs. Suddenly the boy who had stood in the shadows, dreaming of ruling the world, was a public figure, and his popularity soared. Russia and an infatuated West were determined to see the progressive leader of their dreams, even as he seized control of media, sent political rivals and critics into exile or to the grave, and smashed the country’s fragile electoral system, concentrating power in the hands of his cronies.

    As a journalist living in Moscow, Masha Gessen experienced this history firsthand, and for The Man Without a Face has drawn on information and sources no other writer has tapped. This account of how a “faceless” man maneuvered his way into absolute—and absolutely corrupt—power is the definitive biography of Vladimir Putin.”

    The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin
    by Masha Gessen

  15. Brenner is great. And, alas, there will be Pussy Riot folks yammering here, and alas, even freakish thinkers like Gessen can’t decide who is worse, Trump or Putin? He/she/they says, Trump. Oh, the selectivity of these rabbi-induced people. So, Bush, no? Albright, no? The state (sic) of Israel, and the Zionist leaders? No? Obama, no? Reagan, no? All those neocons, and not just the majority of which are Jews, they not as bad as Putin? Freaky people will get big time book contracts from NY propaganda houses, err, publishers.

  16. May 9 – “Victory Day” – marking the defeat of Nazi Germany. One of the great traditions of this celebration was the image of those aged veterans of that conflict, bedecked in their campaign medals, parading before a grateful nation. Even as time and old age removed the Russian “Greatest Generation” from the society and nation they had served, the Russian people continued to honor them, with the children and grandchildren of the departed veterans marching in their stead, holding aloft a photograph of the veteran, part of what is called “The Immortal Regiment.”

    Unlike the Germans, the Russian people don’t forget.

    Sadly, I cannot say the same thing about the American people. There will be no Victory in Europe celebration in the United States this year, just as there hasn’t been for years past. We have forgotten our “Greatest Generation” and the sacrifices they made for our future. There is no American “Immortal Regiment” of family members marching proudly down the main streets of US towns and cities honoring the cause for which these young men and women served.

    We have forgotten what they even fought for.

    There was a time when the United States and Soviet Union fought together to overcome the scourge of Nazi Germany and the ideology it espoused. Today, when Russia is locked in a struggle with the progeny of Hitler’s Germany, in the form of the ideological descendants of the Ukrainian nationalist, Stepan Bandera – one would logically expect that the United States to be on Moscow’s side.

    Bander’s followers fought alongside German Nazis as members of the Waffen SS, slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent civilians, many of them Jewish. By rights, Washington should be ensuring that the hateful cause so many had given their lives and livelihoods to eradicate from Europe never again raised its evil banners on European soil.

    Instead, the United States is providing succor to the present-day adherents of Bandera, and by extension, Hitler; their hateful ideology disguised as Ukrainian nationalism. American military personnel, whose traditions are born from the heroic sacrifices made by hundreds of thousands of their fellow soldiers, sailors, and airmen who gave their lives to defeat Nazi Germany, are today providing weapons and training to Ukrainians whose bodies and banners bear the markings of Hitler’s Third Reich.

    On May 9, Russia will celebrate Victory Day, marking the 77th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, the struggle against Nazi ideology continues to this day and, sadly, the United States finds itself on the wrong side of history, supporting those whom we once were sworn to defeat, while fighting against those whom we once called allies.


    1. US citizens and most importantly politicians are the world Champs of forgetting.

    2. Stepan Bandera (and Roman Shukhevych) were named “Heroes of Ukraine” in 2010 by outgoing President Victor Yushchenko, a US puppet installed by the CIA in 2005 by the Orange Revolution. Yushchenko was married to a US citizen State Department employee (rumored to be a CIA agent and Yushchenk’s “beard”). For certain, Yushchenko would not have glorified Bandera without US direction; most likely this was to further increase tensions between the NAZI collaborator descendants of the West (including Kiev), and the Russian-aligned Ukrainians in the East. Yushchenko, a banker, created the Ukrainian currency, the hryvnia, and borrowed lots of money from the EU/IMF at high interest rates (which went poof!) The NAZIfication (or ultra-nationalist militias) in Ukraine increased under Yushchenko, and became entrenched in the police, military, and security apparatus, again with US guidance. The Ukrainians were not happy with this direction, and Yushchenko only received 5% of the vote in seeking a second term. Yanukovych (who was likely the real winner in 2005) won in 2010 (with UN observers certifying the Elections are “free and fair”). Although depicted by the West as a Putin puppet, he actually had American handlers (the Podesta Group, Greg Craig– Obama’s counsel, and the better known Manafort and Gates). Yanukovych played the EU against Russia for the best possible deal, and when finally accepted the lower money, lower interest from Russia, his fate was sealed by the Americans in the 2014 Coup. Poroshenko was much more of a NAZI than Yushchenko, and though beloved by Biden and the US, lost to Zelensky with >70% of the Ukrainian vote, running on a Peace with Russia platform (which was instantaneously dismissed by the US) .
      The US has been building to this conflict since WWII, the CIA working with Ukrainian NAZIs against the Soviets since the 1940s. But no discussion of history is allowed in the US.

      1. @michael888
        You forget to mention that the award to Bandera has been cancelled by the Ukrainian courts and Parliament.
        Some Ukrainians see him as a patriot fighting for Ukrainian independence (he was even jailed by the Germans for that) while others consider him a war criminal.
        This is a conundrum common to the ex Communist countries in Eastern Europe where for some of the people whoever fought the Russians and the Communists is an hero (even if he allied with Hitler to do that).

    3. @Paul+Haeder

      The support for Ukraine comes from the same principles as the participation in WW2 – ensuring freedom and independence against unprovoked aggression

      1. I’ll take One Putin over the tens of thousands of chosen people and Ivy League trash and Trump-lovers and Biden Bumblers and Woke Eyes Closed Wide Amerikkkans of the COrporate Variety any day of the week.

        I am a writer, teacher, activist, journalist, educator, and more, and been around many blocks in my 65 years of life, and I guarantee, Americans are dumb as dirt, but there are many in the rear-guard closing ranks — UK, Klanada, EU Trash-Landia .. . . .

        The most important part of Vladimir Putin’s speech to the Victory Parade on the Red Square is the narrative that explains how the current war in Ukraine began. Putin is correct in seeing this as a NATO proxy war against Russia:

        “[D]espite all controversies in international relations, Russia has always advocated the establishment of an equal and indivisible security system which is critically needed for the entire international community.

        Last December we proposed signing a treaty on security guarantees. Russia urged the West to hold an honest dialogue in search for meaningful and compromising solutions, and to take account of each other’s interests. All in vain. NATO countries did not want to heed us, which means they had totally different plans. And we saw it.

        Another punitive operation in Donbass, an invasion of our historic lands, including Crimea, was openly in the making. Kiev declared that it could attain nuclear weapons. The NATO bloc launched an active military build-up on the territories adjacent to us.

        Thus, an absolutely unacceptable threat to us was steadily being created right on our borders. There was every indication that a clash with neo-Nazis and Banderites backed by the United States and their minions was unavoidable.

        Let me repeat, we saw the military infrastructure being built up, hundreds of foreign advisors starting work, and regular supplies of cutting-edge weaponry being delivered from NATO countries. The threat grew every day.

        Russia launched a pre-emptive strike at the aggression. It was a forced, timely and the only correct decision. A decision by a sovereign, strong and independent country.”

        Long Live Russia!

  17. In this webinar titled “The First Casualty of War is Truth”, Scott Ritter delivered a powerful statement, departing from Western left hypocrisy. I concur with his assessment. Russia’s operation in Ukraine merits the full support of anti-imperialists throughout the world.

    As a punishment for speaking the truth about the war in Ukraine, his twitter account was suspended.

    So apparently I’ve been suspended from Twitter for the crime of challenging the orthodox narrative of the so-called Bucha massacre. I’ve appealed, so who knows what the future will bring. I’m any event, I’ll be posting my articles and occasional musings on Telegram going forward, if anyone is interested. Freedom of speech in America today is an endangered concept.


  18. I appreciate the links to the speeches and the Matlock interview. I had tried looking previously for Putin speeches and interviews in English and only found short quotes or phrases that seem selected out of context to try and make Putin sound like a madman. They try so hard, yet fail miserably. The majors sound like vindictive children telling stupid, angry lies. The major papers are not worth reading and certainly the networks are not worth watching. The one exception was Oliver Stone’s lengthy interview with Putin which is somewhat dated but still worth watching. Reading History certainly helps put things into context and sheds light on the vicious greed that runs the U.S. imperial machine. Sad, maddening, disappointing, but necessary facts.

    1. @ Rita

      Rather selective selection of speeches , tailored for the specific audiences. Try another one
      The Russian president last visited Kiev in July 2013, to commemorate the 1025th anniversary of Kyivan Rus’ conversion to Christianity. During the visit, he gave a speech in which he said that Ukrainians and Russians were one people. The remark went down poorly with a large number of Ukrainians, who heard those words as a denial of their culture, history, language, and very identity.

  19. Poor little Vladimir. With such a tiny country he feels so threatened by neighbours that don’t love him or agree to be subordinate to him. Cheap ad hominem also to criticise intelligent debaters with different views for their limited Russian language skills. How good is your Welsh, Mr Brenner? Have you been passed over for a Nobel Prize too?
    Historically Russia is a settlement of seafarers from the Northern Stockholm archipelago and this is also evidenced in the Finnish word for Sweden: Ruotsi. Ergo, Unless Russia shows us sufficient subservience we will be forced to liberate them soon and reunite them with mother Sweden. Must also get around to liberating the English settlers in New England who are hardly able to speak their native tongue any more without a yankee twang.
    Isn’t it time soon to stop apologizing for a thug and a murderer and an ex soviet secret policeman?

    1. Let’s compare Putin’s “murderous” record with that of the UK and US, shall we?

      1. Never considered excusing British and US imperialism. Am myself a colonised native of Wales whose indigenous people made England rich with coal and steam but never saw more than repression. Our last democratic leader was murdered in a punitive special operation in 1415. The language repressed until recently and the population made fun of despite achieving much earlier universal literacy. Maybe it gives me a little empathy with Kurds for example.
        But not even Genghis Khan is valid Whataboutism for a present day kleptocrat and mobster who invades a neighbour – and cocks it up thoroughly to boot. Maybe something to do with the autocrat’s reliance on yes-men and ass-lickers. As far as I know he’s a graduate in schools of torture, assassination and deception from KGB AND Stasi and not a military expert at all.

        Don’t forget that feeling threatened is not the same as being threatened. If everybody bombed everybody who they imagined threatened them there would be no dynamite left to blow up Swedish granite to make way for building.
        You stared at me and I felt mentally raped and so I killed you. Time to move on from the Stone Age.

      2. “Whataboutism” is the phrase people use when they don’t want you to provide any context. It is a meaningless weasel word.

      3. @Dyfan Lewis MD
        You confuse justification with legitimate grievances. Russia clearly had legitimate security grievances, and the U.S. and its client NATO are clearly the root cause of the invasion. But invading another country is always wrong unless it’s also invading your country, so yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was wrong.

        Another major difference beside Russia having legitimate grievances and the U.S. lacking them is that Ukraine is on Russia’s border, whereas the U.S. has attacked and/or occupied countries halfway around the world. Big difference.

        You seem to be very uninformed and/or misinformed about the U.S./NATO aggression toward Russia over the past 30 years. First and foremost, there was no excuse for continuing NATO’s existence once the Soviet Union collapsed. There was no excuse for the U.S. reneging on its promise to not expand NATO eastward. There was no excuse for the U.S. fomenting a coup in Ukraine and replacing the democratically elected president with the guy the U.S. wanted. There is no excuse for the U.S. supporting Nazis in Ukraine to carry out its bidding. And there was no excuse for the U.S. supporting the attack of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine who simply opposed having a U.S. puppet for a president forced upon them after the U.S.-sponsored coup. Now, compare that to U.S. invasions over the past 20 years or so.

        The only reason that people in the west are hysterical and apoplectic about this invasion is because their countries’ propaganda tells them to be so. Putin is nothing compared to any U.S. president, the latter of whom have EACH killed more people around the world than Putin ever has.

      4. No! I relate illegitimate justification with illegitimate grievance.
        If I build an ugly sculpture of you in my garden and you, my neighbour, feel a grievance about it and invade my garden to demolish it that is an illegitimate grievance because it’s none of your business. Build an ugly sculpture of me in your garden if you want or better still give me a few apples over from your harvest and maybe we could eat pie together.

      5. Terrible analogy. Ukrainian Nazis were bombing and killing ethnic Russians, encouraged and trained by the US. That is not building an ugly monument in its garden. People in Donbas have been begging Putin to save them for eight years. The US finally left Russia no choice.

      6. @Dyfan Lewis MD

        I just thanked you for explaining ‘whataboutism’ to me. Now I have to face off with you.

        To persist with your analogy it wasn’t an ugly sculpture of me you had in your garden, it was two of my children and you’d been beating them since 2014 and you were threatening – and building the equipment to do it – that you were going to destroy them.

        And right to the end you allowed a distant neighbour who really has business with either of us to prod and slyly urge you towards this action.

        You’re a puppet and you’re falling into a honey trap and you’re killing your own people as you fall.

      7. @arthur brogard
        Arguing by analogy is not legitimate. Analogies are good as examples IF they are proper analogies, but that’s it. Dyfan Lewis MD made this argument by analogy because he had no legitimate point. One should just make a direct argument, not argue by analogy.

      8. To Jeff
        I thought argument by analogy was fine (compared to ad hominem) if the hearer was intelligent and realised that A was similar to B but not identical but I will try and learn to be obedient.
        The issue of course is still the lack of independent evidence for the galactic one sided Ukrainian atrocities against the defenceless Russian minority in Donbass

      9. @jeff

        well we sort of disagree there. I wouldn’t, to be technical, claim to ‘argue’ by analogy but I certainly would make use of analogy and metaphor and whatever other literary device to make my meaning clear.

        not everything you see is necessarily an argument. to my mind that’s the deplorable current state of much of the American psyche. Belligerent argument tending rapidly to degenerate into abuse.

        my preference is to discuss. analogy helps discussion a great deal.

      10. @arthur brogard
        An argument is a discussion where the participants disagree. I assume what you’re referring to is a fight, which is an argument where the participants become uncivil or unnecessarily belligerent. Nothing wrong with arguing, it’s the other stuff that’s a problem.

      11. ref Jeffs putdown of Arthurs comment on my use of analogies

        Of course analogies are legitimate. A clitoris is a legitimate analogue to a penis but does not inseminate.
        You are mixing up identity with analogy.

        “Can’t we all disagree more constructively?” (from The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt)

      12. @Dyfan Lewis MD
        You might as well just say, USA, USA! Your comments are so simple-minded that I’d expect better from a high school kid.

      13. and what is done in uk and usa is supposedly done with the full approval of the citizens in those proud ‘democracies’ free of intimidation, fear, propaganda…

        the world’s narrative re Russia ( and Syria, for instance ) is as twisted and absurd as the world’s narrative re Covid.

        Call a whole people ‘slaves’ to a despotic regime on the one hand.
        Then call that whole people bad and culpable and monsters on the other hand because of what the regime does.

        While in the ‘free democratic countries’ the people are always ‘good’ despite anything – such as murdering people on daily basis – they might do – on the grounds that ‘they didn’t know, didn’t want, etc, etc’ but ‘the govt did it.’

        To me there is no doubt whatever. There’s a clear villain in the Ukraine and it is the USA.
        And in a ‘free democracy’ that means ALL the Americans.

  20. I also realise that the present invasion is indeed more like the Soviet invasion of eastern Poland in 1939 rather than the Nazi invasion of Western Poland.
    I may have failed to realise that Ukraine invaded Russia and indiscriminately bombed numbers of Russian cities and villages after vehemently denying that they would do so but then I’m just a medico with 12 years of higher education and a lifetime of experience of several cultures. Probably wouldn’t know a psychopath if I saw one.

    1. You are seriously unaware that Ukraine has been bombing and killing ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine with the blessing of the US for the last eight years? Cultivated ignorance indeed.

      1. Yes and I had no idea that nasty Polish terrorists were all the time ambushing and killing innocent German truck drivers convoying legally through Gdansk to German Königsburg in the summer of 1939 thereby simply forcing Adolf Hitler to reluctantly make a pact with Stalin and together they had to go on a special operation to Poland. I thought he was the bad guy when all he wanted to do was to stroke dogs and hold children in his arms.
        Now see it all differently.

      2. @Linda Hagge
        About the same amount of bombing was going in the other directions (killing Ukrainians) with the blessing of Russia, including also downing a Malaysian aircraft by Russian ground to air missiles

  21. To Linda Haggeye

    whataboutism is a word and not a phrase and has a very clear meaning. It criticises a lazy attempt to excuse an injustice by comparing i to a diffuse spectrum of seemingly universal injustices. Excusing your condemnation of Eichmann’s mass murders by bringing up your conviction for jaywalking would be an example.
    “: the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse
    The exchange is indicative of a rhetorical strategy known as whataboutism, which occurs when officials implicated in wrongdoing whip out a counter-example of a similar abuse from the accusing country, with the goal of undermining the legitimacy of the criticism itself.
    — Olga Khazan
    By whataboutism I mean the way any discussion can be short-circuited by saying “but what about x???” where x is usually something that’s not really equivalent but is close enough to turn the conversation into mush.”
    Webster’s dictionary.
    Maybe you could address the issue instead of nitpicking my vocabulary?

    1. The ISSUE is that using the term whataboutism is this case is incorrect, because the analogy was excellent and provided context. Using the term is itself lazy when an arguer simply wants to get out of talking about context, as you clearly do.

      1. Linda Hagge:
        He’s in a war fog, flailing blindly to grab some superpatriotism.
        “Doctors are nor immune from dementia.”
        Have you tried to reason with a doctor recently?
        They insist they know best even as they are brainwashed by corporate money. To survive we all have to shop for appropriate care.

      2. To Red Hornet
        This was the most amazing crock of shit I have ever heard.
        I am a retired GP in a health system which is non-profit and universal. The only fog is the ad hominem fog that you guys are trying to produce. American debating climate is jseemingly ust too much for an intelligent European. Abuse seems to be all you understand and can produce. I’d probably be gunned down on the street if I were to show my face. Please can we have a modicum of respect for a view sincerely held.

        Maybe you’re just one of the species who obsessively sues medical people.

    2. @Dyfan Lewis MD
      Whataboutism can be used for illegitimately changing the subject, or to point out hypocrisy, or some combination thereof. It is neither legitimate nor illegitimate per se. Most recently, it has been used to illegitimately excuse the U.S. actions that led to the Russian invasion of Ukraine by trying to get people to ignore those actions.

      It seems that very few people are able to understand the concept that while Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was wrong because all war is wrong, the U.S. is ultimately responsible for this because of its actions, starting with its failure to get NATO to disband after the collapse of the Soviet Union, its denial of Russia’s offer to join NATO, eastward NATO expansion, the U.S. sponsored coups in Ukraine, etc. If you can’t hold both concepts in your head at the same time, you’ll be on the wrong side of this issue one way or the other.

      1. To Jeff
        You might as well just say, USA, USA! Your comments are so simple-minded that I’d expect better from a high school kid.
        Gee Thanks – to use your vernacular!

        Anything more intellectual and less ad hominem?

      2. @Jeff
        “the U.S. is ultimately responsible for this because of its actions, starting with its failure to get NATO to disband after the collapse of the Soviet Union, its denial of Russia’s offer to join NATO, eastward NATO expansion, the U.S. sponsored coups in Ukraine,”
        So your contention is that Putin is an irresponsible puppet of the USA , attacking Ukraine because :
        1.NATO did not disband in 1991 (why should they? NATO is not an anti USSR alliance. “NATO’s purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means.” If its members wanted to continue doing that why should this be a threat to Russia?)
        2. Russia never applied for membership in NATO.NATO and Russia created a framework for cooperation and collaboration ( Partnership for Peace, Russia-NATO Permanent Joint Council, Russia-NATO Founding Act) which was shattered by Russia actions such as illegal annexation of Crimea
        3.NATO expanded eastward at the request of the ex Warsaw Treaty countries and ex Soviet republics (Baltic states) which saw it as the best guarantee against any possible threats and as a framework for cooperation and conflict resolution. In 1997 Russia (reluctantly) agreed that it has no veto rights against the will of sovereign countries to join NATO and NATO committed not to place nuclear weapons or permanent bases on the territory of new members
        4. The Maidan revolution was not a coup and anyway it was an internal event in a sovereign country
        which cannot be considered a casus belli ( except for pathological paranoids).
        So the problem is not holding two concepts in the head at the same time , but that one of them is not based on any basis in reality!

  22. To Linda Hagge
    Wow! What an accusation! Another ad hominem. I can talk about issues and contexts till the cows come home but only a thug would attack a peaceful neighbour in the way we are seeing.
    The little man with the big white table and the rows of intimidated underlings having to regurgitate their views and being chastised if their arse-licking is not deft enough. He’s out there in broad daylight., damn it!
    There must be the odd autocratic narcissistic psychopath even in Texas that you could study, remember and recognise when you see another one.
    You missed obviously my post about the nasty evil fascist Poles attacking peaceful German transit truck drivers in the Gdansk corridor bringing vital foods to victimised Germans in Königsburg in Summer 1939 and basically starting the 2nd world war all on their own while Hitler was begging them to stop (in between gently stroking dogs and painting landscapes).
    Do you have an isolated amblyopia for psychopathic autocrats. Check with an optician.

    1. LOL–peaceful neighbor. OMG. The Ukrainians have killed 14,000 ethnic Russian people in the Donbas region of their country in the last eight years, primarily through bombing. Wow.

      1. Linda Hagge
        Independent evidence please. How many killed by Russian soldiers and mercenaries without arm identiication by the way

      2. Go to ConsortiumNews, a prizewinning independent journalism site, and type in Ukraine. Read all the articles. Jesus, what I said is such common knowledge it has been reported in multiple places, by both independent and mainstream journalists. You are telling us more by asking for “evidence” of simple facts than you know. Have you been living in a hole? Next you’ll be asking for evidence of gravity.

      3. Thank you for that, Linda. I had not known and I am looking all the time for trustworthy sensible sources.

        I see that on the 4th Pay Pal suspended Consortium’s account (and kept their money) which is proof enough to me that they’re a good site.

        I will be following them.

      4. @Linda Hagge
        This guy comes off as a CIA-type propagandist. Most of his comments are half truths and/or out of context. He’s just another troll on this site with nothing of value to add.

  23. To Jeff!
    “Another major difference beside Russia having legitimate grievances and the U.S. lacking them is that Ukraine is on Russia’s border, whereas the U.S. has attacked and/or occupied countries halfway around the world. Big difference.”

    Now I see. It’s OK to beat the shit out of your next door neighbour if he annoys you.
    Is this why Americans have to have guns?

    1. @Dyfan Lewis MD
      I didn’t say that it was OK for Russia to invade Ukraine, I said just the opposite. I literally said that “the Russian invasion of Ukraine was wrong.” I’m sorry if you can’t hold these two thoughts in your head at the same time or just can’t understand the difference between legitimate grievances and justification, I don’t know what else I can say to you regarding this matter that would get you to understand.

      1. To Jeff
        In the sense that having a legitimate grievance is arduously equatable with claiming victimhood because your neighbour doesn’t want to be voluntarily subjugated by you I suppose I can agree with you. I just see a trumped up grievance as different from a legitimate grievance and of course neither would justify an invasion.

      2. Corrupt, polluted generals, and their murderous revolving doors. So, we have Austin from Raytheon, head of DoD, and that’s not a conflict of interest?


        Worth watching: Here, the three synopses, for https://averyheavyagenda.com/trailers/

        PART 1 SYNOPSIS: Cheney and Rumsfeld were ubiquitous in the news media as they took every available opportunity to market to America an aggressive preemptive war policy. But from where did their ideas originate? The answer is a tightly knit and eminently well placed group of neoconservative thought leaders, chief among them Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. Part 1 begins in the panicked weeks after 9/11, as Kagan et al. seized upon the hysteria surrounding the anthrax letter attacks to further shape America’s perception of reality, planting the seeds for endless future military engagements. George W. Bush may have been understandably perceived as an idiot, but watching these wonks and academics drive the ideological engine for his administration belies a much more sophisticated strategy at play.

        PART 2 SYNOPSIS: After the Cold War, the US-NATO reach expanded significantly to take in most of the old Soviet Union clients in the Warsaw pact. Neoconservative darling Robert Kagan and his diplomat wife Victoria Nuland played key roles inside and out of various administrations as they greased the skids for a US-sponsored coup in Ukraine. The infamous neoconservative Washington DC think-tank ‘The Project for the New American Century’ was re-branded for the Obama era into ‘The Foreign Policy Initiative’ acting as a outside agitator pushing the envelope on what the US should do in the new Cold War landscape. Part 2 shows the resurrection of old Reaganites from beltway depths to deliver blatant propaganda with techniques reminiscent of a red scare era that had only just faded from memory. US-funded outfits like Radio Free Liberty are pitted against Russia’s RT as each nation accuses the other of waging an ever more desperate and transparent “Information War”.

        “After the fall of the Berlin wall.. our work wasn’t finished”. — Victoria Nuland, November 2013

        “Fuck the EU” — Victoria Nuland, February 2014

        While stage managing the American empire has undoubtedly proved to be a more difficult task now than in the bipolar world of the cold war era, it is not for lack of greed or hubris that the Kagans and others continue to sell their vision. Did they create these ideas because they truly believe in America’s right to be the dominant force in the world? Or, do these ideas help sell weapons and control resources like oil and rare minerals? Part 3 shows interview footage of an obscure PNAC member (Thomas Donnelly) taking credit for the ominous “New Pearl Harbor” phrasing in the notorious ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ document. But the evidence shows the genesis of the concept to be patriarch Don Kagan, in conjunction with his son Fred, in prior op-eds that call for ‘a catalyzing event’. Other newly sourced footage shows the pair advocating for a US military ground invasion of Palestine on September 12th, 2001 and displaying an unnerving prescience about the 9/11 attacks themselves.

        “We’re an empire now and when we act we create our own reality, and while you’re studying that reality—we’ll act again, creating other new realities which you can study too. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do” – Karl Rove

        When you take stock of the mindset of people who not only have access to the nexuses of power, but who trade in forming and widely disseminating arguments that justify bringing America closer to a potential nuclear confrontation with Russia, it shows something more plainly Machiavellian at work, with an aim ultimately much more sinister than simply spin.


        These people, these NeoCons, these Chosen People, these profanely elite, blood sucking, goy-hating people, they are the problem too, to include blood sucking MIC, for which the entire capitalist system is embedded, from Amazon dot dildo delivery via drone, or Walmart, or Google, or Bank of America, or State Farm Insurance, blah, blah, blah.


        Long Live the Brave Russians. They need to take out the entire ZioLensky Tribe. Quoting Whitney:

        On Monday, Putin delivered the annual “Victory Day” speech celebrating Russia’s victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. The Russian president made none of the hyperbolic pronouncements the media had predicted but, instead, gave a brief recap of the events leading up to the war in Ukraine. There was none of the bravado you’d expect from a leader trying to gin up support for the ongoing war. Putin simply reminded the crowd that he had done everything he could to avoid the bloody conflict in which Russia is currently embroiled. Here’s part of what he said:

        “Last December we proposed signing a treaty on security guarantees. Russia urged the West to hold an honest dialogue in search for meaningful and compromising solutions, and to take account of each other’s interests. All in vain. NATO countries did not want to heed us, which means they had totally different plans. And we saw it.”

        This is an accurate account of what took place in the months preceding the war. Putin tried to avoid a confrontation by repeatedly asking the US to address Russia’s reasonable security concerns. Unfortunately, the Biden administration brushed off Putin’s demands without even providing a response. The US and NATO insist that Ukraine has every right to choose whatever security arrangement it wants. But that’s clearly not the case. The United States and every nation in NATO have signed treaties (Istanbul in 1999, and Astana in 2010) that stipulate they cannot improve their own security at the expense of others.

        The principle underlying these agreements is called “the indivisibility of security”, which means that the security of one state can’t be separated from the security of the others. In practical terms, that means that signatories to these treaties are not free to develop their own military capability to the point where it poses a danger to their neighbors. These terms are especially applicable to Ukraine which is seeking membership in a military alliance that is openly hostile to Russia. NATO membership has always been a “red line” for Putin who has stated repeatedly that he will not allow NATO bases, combat troops and missile sites to be located on Ukrainian soil where they’d be just a stone’s throw from Moscow. As one critic from Texas put it, “You wouldn’t let a rattlesnake make its home on your front porch, would you?” No, you wouldn’t, and neither would Putin. Here’s more from a speech Putin gave in 2007:

        “I’m convinced that we have reached the decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security. And we must proceed by searching for a reasonable balance between the interests of all participants in the international dialogue.” Munich Security Conference, 2007

        These are questions that need to be answered, after all, if the United Nations actually worked the way it is supposed to work, Russia’s demands would have been thoroughly debated at emergency meetings before the first shot was ever fired. But that didn’t happen. International law and global institutions failed again. As everyone knows, most of these institutions have been hijacked by Washington which now uses them to provide a fig leaf of legitimacy for its serial depredations. That’s certainly how they are being used in the current war against Russia.

        The western media is also being used as a weapon against Russia. For example, Russia has been universally blamed for starting the war, but Russia did not start the war and everyone on the Security Council knows it. Ukraine started the war, and the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) has collected evidence to prove it. Check out this excerpt from an interview at the Grayzone with Swiss Intelligence officer and NATO advisor, Jacques Baud:

        JACQUES BAUD: “I think we have to understand, as you know, that the war in fact hasn’t started on 24 February this year… what led to the decision to launch an offensive in the Donbas was not what happened since 2014. There was a trigger for that…

        The first is the decision and the law adopted by Volodymyr Zelensky in March 2021—that means last year—to reconquer Crimea by force…

        (And, also,) the intensification of the artillery shelling of the Donbas starting on the 16th of February, and this increase in the shelling was observed, in fact, by the Observer Mission of the OSCE [Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe], and t hey recorded this increase of violation, and it’s a massive violation. I mean, we are talking about something that is about 30 times more than what it used to be… On the 16th of February you had a massive increase of violation on the Ukrainian side. So, for the Russians, Vladimir Putin in particular, that was the sign that the operation—the Ukrainian operation—was about to start.

        And then everything started; I mean, all the events came very quickly. That means that if we look at the figures, you can see that there’s…. a massive increase from the 16th-17th, and then it reached kind of a maximum on the 18th of February, and that was continuing.

        … And that’s why, on the 24th of February when Vladimir Putin decided to launch the offensive, it could invoke Article 51 of the UN Charter that provides for assistance in case of attack.” (“US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to ‘weaken Russia’: fmr. NATO adviser“, The Grayzone)

      3. @ Paul+Haeder

        Thanks for that. A good one.

        Probably will not do any good though.

        Such texts are posted I think in order to demonstrate that Putin had a rationale and espoused that rationale and it was ignored, which further increased… etc.

        In other words to promote understanding.

        In the interests of rapprochement.

        I think wasted effort. To have any chance of success there must be a commensurate desire on ‘the other side’ for rapprochement.

        But there isn’t. There’s a desire for hate and bloodshed and bombast and dogma and egotistical behaviour of all kinds – self gratification.

        Anything you say is not taken as ‘evidence’ to be considered but as a ‘target’ to be fired at.

        So where your aim is peace their aim has nothing to do with peace.

        Hence you/we are always talking at cross purposes.

        You say, to illustrate Putin’s mindset, that Putin thought this or that.

        Instead of taking that fact in and using it as a valued ‘descriptor’ of the terrain the switch immediately to attacking on the grounds that Putin should not have ‘thought that’.

        And so on. Like a swarm of piranha each taking its savage bite out of the body until there’s nothing left.

        And all impertinent. What’s pertinent is understanding the thought processes, motivations, desires, reasonings, etc – in the interests of securing a peace as soon as possible.

        That is not their desire. Not one whit.

        This venue, this column, these threads are a red herring, a blind alley.

        A decoy.

        Which I’m not saying you should not have posted that post. Not at all. Posts such as that are totally excellent to my mind. Free of hubris, free of ad hominem, free of childish ego ( ” I’ve had seven years training and travelled the world ” as though the same couldn’t be said of millions, a guileless revelation of overweening self esteem ).

        I’m just saying it’d be wise to expect nothing for it, from it.

        Having said your piece there’s nothing to do here but move on. What we need is vibrant, relative venues pertinent to some kind of peace processes. Places that are hungry for any little factoid or thought that might lead to peace and a lessening of the damage.

        Nothing like that here. In the overall. Quite the opposite. I’m sorry to say.

      4. Hahaha. Look, I am world traveled, know many Russians, and others, in all Central American countries, Vietnam, even some in the EuroTrash Land. Mom’s Canadian, and alas, I was on military fucking bases and posts since the old man was in AF and then Army, 32 years total, with leg shot in Korea as a kid and two shots to the arm and shoulder as a 36 year old.

        I was in Vietnam at age 36, same age as the old man was there believing in America, but really he railed against the MIC, the polluted politicians and a country that can’t keep libraries open 7 days a week, can’t fix broken arms at community clinics (we have none) and puts community college students in debt for $10K and state university punk college boys like me in debt for $30 K (not I, since I got scholarships and it cost me so little to go to the three state colleges where I got three degrees –BA-BS, MA).

        I’ve smelled the cadavers and roses. I get this is a game, a theater of armchair pukes rallying around or dividing and conquering through these, well, endless, endless commentaries-news analyses.

        But, there is an up and there is a down, no matter how you fall in the world. Many rights, and many wrongs. And, even though I am a neo-communist, I know there are great ways to support small businesses in communities. What we have in USA, in neoliberalism, in sypllitic capitalism is dog eat dog, survival of the richest, criminals incorporated.

        I am poking the sluggish hornets’ nest here, sir. But there is truth, brother. Really.


        Many have often pointed out that the Ukrainian frontline will have a huge number of casualties from Russian artillery strikes. It is even worse than we thought:

        “At the main hospital in Kramatorsk, a city in Donetsk, ambulances stream in day and night, carrying soldiers wounded at the front, who describe being pinned down by near constant shelling.
        About 80 percent of the patients are wounded by explosives such as mines and artillery shells,” said Capt. Eduard Antonovskyy, the deputy commander of the medical unit at the hospital. “Because of this,” he said,” very few patients have serious injuries. Either you’re far enough from an explosion to survive or you aren’t, “he said.

        “We either get moderate injuries or deaths,” Captain Antonovskyy said.

        Additional to those more realistic reports the NY-CIAMostlyJewish-Times allowed one of it authors to write an opinion piece against the widening of the war:

        “America and Its Allies Want to Bleed Russia. They Really Shouldn’t.”

        At first, the Western support for Ukraine was mainly designed to defend against the invasion. It is now set on a far grander ambition: to weaken Russia itself. Presented as a common-sense response to Russian aggression, the shift, in fact, amounts to a significant escalation.

        By expanding support to Ukraine across the board and shelving any diplomatic effort to stop the fighting, the United States and its allies have greatly increased the danger of an even larger conflict. They are taking a risk far out of step with any realistic strategic gain.

        When I was in Ukraine during the first weeks of the war, even staunch Ukrainian nationalists expressed views far more pragmatic than those that are routine in America now. Talk of neutral status for Ukraine and internationally monitored plebiscites in Donetsk and Luhansk has been jettisoned in favor of bombast and grandstanding.

        What’s more, the invasion has led directly to greater military spending in second- and third-tier European powers. The number of NATO troops in Eastern Europe has grown tenfold, and a Nordic expansion of the organization is likely. A general rearmament of Europe is taking place, driven not by desire for autonomy from American power but in service to it. For the United States, this should be success enough. It is unclear what more there is to gain by weakening Russia, beyond fantasies of regime change.

        Diplomatic efforts ought to be the centerpiece of a new Ukraine strategy. Instead, the war’s boundaries are being expanded and the war itself recast as a struggle between democracy and autocracy, in which the Donbas is the frontier of freedom. This is not just declamatory extravagance. It is reckless. The risks hardly need to be stated.

        Indeed. The current U.S. strategy will end in a catastrophe for Ukraine because it is based on false narratives. Lt.Col. (ret) Daniel Davis has consistently provided a more realist view of the military situation in Ukraine. His latest piece fits that record:

        “Russia’s Progress in Donbas Means Ukraine Likely Won’t Win the War”

        “Over the past few days, a flurry of senior leaders in both Ukraine and Washington have issued defiant claims of not merely resisting Russian aggression, but pushing towards outright victory. While such aspirations are entirely understandable, it is unwise to set policy seeking a preferred outcome if there does not exist a rational path by which Ukraine could accomplish that objective. At present, most indicators, fundamentals of war, and current battlefield trendlines support the prospect of a Ukrainian defeat.”

        Davis correctly describes the current military situation on the ground and concludes:

        By continuing to seek a military victory in Ukraine, Ukraine’s troops will continue fighting, no negotiated settlement will be realistically sought, and most likely Russian troops continue making progress. As a result, more Ukrainian civilians and troops will continue to be killed and wounded, more cities destroyed, and the economic and food crises – for both Ukraine and the world – will worsen. The most likely outcome will not change (a negotiated settlement, not a Ukrainian military victory), but the cost to Kyiv will be much, much worse.

        Another former military man who has a realist view of the war is Col. Douglas Macgregor (ret). During the first Gulf war he led a unit in the Battle of 73 Easting:

        Macgregor was the “squadron operations officer who essentially directed the Battle of 73 Easting” during the Gulf War. Facing an Iraqi Republican Guard opponent, he led a contingent consisting of 19 tanks, 26 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 4 M1064 mortar carriers through the sandstorm to the 73 Easting at roughly 16:18 hours on 26 February 1991 destroyed almost 70 Iraqi armored vehicles with no U.S. casualties in a 23-minute span of the battle.

        The previously quoted Lt.Col. Davis was wounded in the same battle. As both men have seen real mechanized war it is not by chance that they have come to similar conclusions.

        Macgregor warns of a widening of the war through a Polish intervention in west Ukraine which would eventually drag NATO into the war:

        “The Threat of Polish Involvement in Ukraine”

        The war against Russia in Ukraine has evolved, but not in the way Western observers predicted.
        Why would Poland, with the help of Lithuania, try to take western Ukraine? It is all about history:

        The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, formally known as the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and, after 1791, as the Commonwealth of Poland, was a country and bi-federation of Poland and Lithuania ruled by a common monarch in real union, who was both King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania. It was one of the largest and most populous countries of 16th to 17th-century Europe. At its largest territorial extent, in the early 17th century, the Commonwealth covered almost 1,000,000 km2 (400,000 sq mi) and as of 1618 sustained a multi-ethnic population of almost 12 million.



      5. Yes, thanks for that. I liked reading it. I value it. And the link. Good site, that ‘moon of alabama’ . That’s the second time I’ve been there.

        I agree there’s a right and a wrong – i.e. truth and not truth. And I value reading the truths that are presented, such as yours, the facts you present.

        My ‘pitch’ is simply that the central point of this particular discussion is the welfare of the people in Ukraine, soldier and civilian, Ukrainian and Russian and all our ‘points’ and ‘arguments’ etc. should tend that way.

        Because the whole wall-to-wall narrative outside of here is contrary to that.

        Just as the whole wall-to-wall narrative on covid was (and is) contrary to facts and truth.

      6. What is to gain in Russia? Well. Of course the U.S. corporate criminals want to gain control of Russia’s energy resources too. Not satisfied with burning up our own and South America’s and Africa’s and much of the Middle East’s and everywhere else they can stick their filthy hands to feed their empire, they want the last prize. The commanding heights. Greed that rules the world, then kills it. Witness Finlan

      7. What is to gain in Russia? Well. Of course the U.S. corporate criminals want to gain control of Russia’s energy resources too. Not satisfied with burning up our own and South America’s and Africa’s and much of the Middle East’s and everywhere else they can stick their filthy hands to feed their empire, they want the last prize. The commanding heights. Greed that rules the world, then kills it. Witness Finland yesterday, their little capo Poland’s threats to Germany. Just one day’s work.

  24. To Jeff

    And the grievance?
    They don’t want us to run them although we’ve been doing it for 25 years and we starved them in the thirties and liberated them in the 40’s. We promised to respect their territorial integrity if they gave up their nukes when our proletarian dictatorship hit the fan.
    Now they have the gall to say the only thing worse than being occupied by Nazis was being liberated by Russians.
    They’re just ungrateful sons of bitches and we’ll have to scare the shit out of the ones we don’t missile to death.
    Can you call it a grievance?
    Oh yeah and they don’t even want to join our mafia eurasian economic group and they want protection by the evil west riddled with homosexuality and atheism and debauchery when we are the true mother Russia and our Patriarch is the only real McCoy and doesn’t need his KGB pension cos the collection’s big enough.
    Regarding the millions of Russian speaking murdered victims in Donbas see my posts to Linda Hagge.
    Got to admit it’s one hell of a grievance, uh.

  25. I must share a Finnish joke with you.

    Jews have a well known robust sense of humour and Russians a black sense of humour (after centuries of oppression.)

    For example:

    Secret policeman arresting people with protesting placards to man with blank placard:
    “Why is their no text on your placard?”
    Russian with blank placard:
    “Because verybody knows what the problem is!”

    Parenthetically, truth is stranger than fiction and someone has now been arrested for a blank placard.

    But Finns have a wonderfully dry and resilient humour.

    Pekka and Mikhail are sitting in the sauna talking and drinking beer.
    Mikhail has been talking incessantly about all the tyrants who have invaded and laid to waste Mother Russia during the last millenium or so.
    Finally Pekka interrupts and says:
    ”Mikhail, thinking of everything you’ve listed, I really can’t understand how Russia became so incredibly large”

    Maybe a little good neighbourliness would not be amiss. Might be a wildly new approach.
    It’s a landlocked country with an acute shortage of ice-free harbours to open sea. Not a bad idea to get on good terms with your neighbours. Russia is in fact in Ukraine’s “sphere of interest” but as an inferior colony Ukraine would not claim a right to invade if piqued Just to be left alone for Chrissakes.
    They are people from a far away country whom we hardly know, so why help them?

  26. To Arthur Brogard
    You seem amenable at least to reason. What is your independent evidence for the Ukrainian genocide of Russian speakers in Donbass when barely 50% of the Russian speakers displaced by Stalin wanted to throw in their lot with Putin? We have a lot of Finns in Sweden after centuries of union but the Finnish govt is not threatening annexation of Finnish speaking enclaves in Sweden or sending missiles.
    Don’t quite understand your honeytrap reference. Julian Assange was caught in a honey trap. I had contact with the old Ecuadorian ambassador who was made well aware of Sweden’s rendition willingness.
    You must have heard about Hitler’s need to victimise the germans being beaten up by Poles and the Sudetan-germans beaten up by Czechs. God dammnit the poor English speakers in Wales getting a rough ride. Mybe a few Patriot missiles into Wales wold fix it. A little scepticism would go a long way.
    There are nut jobs in Ukraine obviously but even in Texas and Alabama. Most Ukrainians would like just to get a break.
    Best wishes.

    1. @dyfan lewis

      I don’t have any ‘independent evidence’, whatever that means. Independent of what?
      I rely on the number of times from different sources I’ve seen such claims as this (this one taken from this thread actually) :

      ” LOL–peaceful neighbor. OMG. The Ukrainians have killed 14,000 ethnic Russian people in the Donbas region of their country in the last eight years, primarily through bombing. Wow.”

      1. I suggested he read Consortium News, which aggregates some of the best independent journalists in the world. I see no evidence he has done so. Dyfan loves to be arrogant while loudly accusing everyone else of being arrogant.

  27. “no one can turn their backs upon the destruction imposed upon an otherwise peaceful human populations, from Russian long range artillery and missiles; particularly as Ukraine is not doing the same to anyone in Russia on the other side of their border. ”
    Pregnant comment from Chris Coles FRSA on this web site about another article on Ukraine

    Work around that if you can!

  28. I wrote “They don’t want us to run them although we’ve been doing it for 25 years”

    Of course it’s a typo. I meant 250 years

    Sorry about that

  29. I must take the liberty of quoting in extenso another post about a similar article on this site. It is so damn well written.

    Democracy Gone Astray kommenterade på I led talks on Donbas and Crimea in the 90s. Here’s How the War Should End..
    Svarar på Editor:
    “After the USSR’s breakup, the OSCE knew that the large number of Russian speakers in Ukraine would become an issue.”

    There are several crucial facts about Putin’s colonial war of conquest against Ukraine that Quigley’s parroting of Russian ‘liberation’ propaganda lines above ignores.
    The initial Russian attempt to conquer Kiev, as well as the current assault on Odessa, the marine blockade in south-western Ukrainian Black Sea access, and the Russian bombing in Moldova all indicate a much larger and far wider goal than the ‘liberation’ of the two eastern provinces.
    In addition, the fact that the conquest of Crimea and the Russian militarization of the ethnic tensions in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces in 2014 followed the democratic ouster of the Russian figurehead Yanukovych which, in the least, render the attempt to hing a proposal for the cessation of Russian militarized hostility on the resolution of a territorial dispute simplistic, deflective and likely demagogic, and is at least indicative that nothing but the complete subjugation of Ukraine would satiate Putin’s thirst (and likely dire survival need) for incontrovertible victory.
    Furthermore, unlike Crimea, which Ukrainian population is 35%, in both Donetsk and Luhansk the Ukrainian population is a small majority (about 3%-5% more Ukrainians than Russian in both provinces). The fact that the text above doesn’t even mention the complexities inherent in the subjugation of the Ukrainian population to Russian aggression as an issue is in itself telling of the text’s Russian bias. In the context of a supposed ‘progressive’ publication, however, it is nothing short of horrifying.
    Every single one of Putin’s actions in Russia since assuming the presidency was against democracy. In the Munich security conference in 2007 he declared war on the west and since then escalated the conflict further – from cyber attack on Estonia, through the invasion and annexation of Georgian provinces, the conquest of Crimea, the precipitation of a violent and bloody ‘civil war’ in the eastern provinces and the full scale colonial war on Ukraine.
    If there is a proxy war in the Ukrainian-Russian conflict, it is Putin’s anti-democratic proxy war against democracy, the EU, NATO, the US and the west on the bodies of thousands of Ukrainian civilians. History would judge him, as well as his western fifth columns from right and left, harshly.

    I am sure the poster will not mind his content being reposted.

    Today Finland has decided to join Nato, Sweden will on Monday – a pair of new useful grievances for Putin.
    If you kick in my neighbour’s door don’t whine to me if I reinforce my door.

  30. @Jeff
    2.denial of offer to join NATO…..
    4.US sponsored coups ….

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